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micromobility - Bikes, scooters, boards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles, heelies, or an office chair: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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French company Cixi is developing a vehicle that combines pedals, electric power, and an enclosed body

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[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why is self driving a prerequisite? "Car as a service" is something that already exists. It failed because it needed reserved parking spots (you couldn't just park wherever) and availability was spotty (because of the reserved parking spots).

I'm all in for something like this, but only as a supplement for a strong mass public transportation.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because the cars wouldn't have to necessarily park in between rides. You would just request a car and the nearest available one would come pick you up.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So.... The worse of private cars+ the worse of taxis+"AI"?

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

How is it the worst of any of that? And I'm not sure why you're assuming AI would be involved.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And I'm not sure why you're assuming AI would be involved.

The self-driving part?

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

AI isn't required for that. A Roomba isn't using AI to do it's thing.

[–] NaibofTabr 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A Roomba doesn't weigh 2 tons and isn't traveling at 100kph and actively threatening the lives of nearby people.

A moving vehicle is a safety hazard to everything around it first and foremost, and the driving system must be able to account for that. Figuring out how to get from point A to point B comes after, and is very simple by comparison.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But none of that necessitates the use of AI.

[–] NaibofTabr 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, you're right of course - it necessitates a human driver. True awareness and decision making are not possible with our current level of technology.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

There's a reason why I originally said, "when self driving cars are actually a thing." I know that our current level of technology is insufficient, but the technology we have now is not too far away.

Depends how you define AI.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So the car drives itself with... Real Intelligence? Or just heuristic rules? Maybe a driver in Cambodia remote driving?

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You wouldn't need AI, or at least generative AI, to manage everything. Cars would have onboard sensors and computers to handle the driving part locally, and routes and such could be coordinated from a centralized system.

At most you might want to use some machine learning to improve efficiency, but that's not the "AI" that people mean today.

[–] NaibofTabr 2 points 2 days ago

At most you might want to use some machine learning to improve efficiency

Yeah no, efficiency and planning map routes aren't the hard parts of self-driving. The hard parts come from dealing with all of the unpredictable situations that happen on the road - flat tire on a busy highway, deer in the headlights, power steering failure while crossing a major intersection, aggressive drivers, poor visibility due to weather conditions, a child running into the road... you can't pre-program for situations like these because they're contextual, dependent on local conditions in that exact moment. All of the choices that might be made are different depending on whether there is another car in the lane next to you, or in front of or behind you, or oncoming, or if it's a bus or a dump truck or a motorcycle or a bicycle, or a ditch or a forest or the edge of a cliff, or if there's rain or fog or ice or smoke or debris or burning gasoline on the road... and the choice needs to be made right now, in less than a second, or you run over a 4 year old.

The real world is far too complex for a fixed set of predetermined rules to handle.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why is it being local contrary to AI? Why is genAI the only AI? I'm sorry, but there's so much lack of knowledge here I'm not sure where you start.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

I'm not interested in continuing a discussion with someone who resorts to personal attacks. Goodbye.