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See, now you've got a problem. If you'd shot down the first one, Russia would have made a big noise and then it would have been fine. Now that you didn't, now it's weird if you start shooting them down.
My advice is to just be straight about it: Publicly announce what the line is where you'll shoot them down, and then stick to it. Even if you just announced a date when the shooting-down will start any time they enter NATO airspace, that might be fine. But you have to stick to it. Right now you're trying to figure out how to make them stop without shooting them down, and that approach just doesn't work. Like you're all surprised they don't establish radio contact. Bro... that is not the game you are engaged in.
(You might also want to confiscate $10 billion in frozen Russian assets to give to Ukraine for each incursion, just to respond to what's already happened... but again without shooting them down it's not going to accomplish anything. The money's already gone honestly, and they know that, they're just waiting for you to figure it out and go through your whole "process" and make it official, and they think you're stupid and weak for every year that goes by that you're not doing that.)
It comes down to realization that despite Ukrainian politicians seeking those "security guarantees" from allies it's actually the other way around - Ukraine is the security guarantee of Europe, and right now Russians do such bold shit, because they think that Ukraine's defense is about to crumble, so they are already preparing to move further.
So folks being afraid to shoot down Russians who violate their borders simply because they can - is an expected consequence of "we can't help Ukraine, because it'll lead to escalation", while there's just one side doing the escalation, and it's not Ukraine.
They are barely managing the war with ukraine and you want me to believe they are moving further than that? EU countries combined are matching already russia military expenses, they are looking for excuses to boost war industry even more. Check the data and watch out for propaganda.
The US plus all partners has sent about $150 billion in total, it looks like, up until the middle of last year: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/ About half of that is EU, so say $75 billion from the EU.
Russia spends about $500 billion per year: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/12/russias-2024-military-spending-surpassed-eu-uk-combined-in-ppp-terms-study-a87974 They have mobilized basically their entire economy to try to win this thing.
What is your source for saying the EU alone is matching Russia? The EU is barely paying attention to the war, because of complacency and a subtle racism. But the idea that the EU is pulling out all the stops like Russia is, or prioritizing making their "defense" contractors rich in this as the US is wont to do, is absurd.
Can do! I think I might have found some, I'm not sure.
Thank you.
Many folks fail to realize that it absolutely doesn't hurt Putin to send another one or two million of his people to die for his delusions of grandeur. It's not like he's gonna have to start selling his mansions because Russia goes through economic hardships or that his own kids gonna get drafted.
If Russia did things that are logical - they wouldn't invade Ukraine in the first place, not to mention that their invasion and annexations are illegal even by Russian laws and constitution that Putin can rewrite at his whim, but absolutely nobody cares. So expecting a country that breaks its own laws while being an autocracy to follow logic is foolish at best.
Yeah. I'm not exactly a geopolitics-man, but my best guess for what's going on with Putin and Russia's strategy here is:
I think the combination means that he's just kind of telling his military to do whatever, including invading Ukraine thinking it would go about the same way as Georgia, Crimea, Chechnya, and the US elections. I do think he benefits from a certain amount of native cunning in this particular brinksmanship with NATO, and of course it doesn't take too much detailed understanding of facts on the ground to just fly some planes around in their airspace and flip people off, but also I think in general this latest chapter of Russia is just a pretty good demonstration of why authoritarianism doesn't make for effective countries.
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
They spend about the same in dollars, the article you linked adjust the price to PPP. We could argue all day about this adjustments but there's no need to do it: we are not looking for the country that win the spending race, we are observing that both russia and EU countries are armed to the teeth and already dumping billions of money in war. It sound foolish to believe russia has plans to attack and invade a faction that match their military spending, they would be heading for a war they have no guarantee of winning and that could result in the complete defeat of their country. On the other hand it's quite reasonable to think EU governments are using fear as a leverage to gain power and wealth (the same shit that russia government does to justify their spending)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
They pay attention to it every second with endless surveillance missions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eastern_Sentry
https://www.itamilradar.com/2025/09/21/e-550-caew-missions-in-the-baltic-10-days-of-tracking/
I actually do see another possibility beyond what I said: I think it's also possible that Russia has decided on war with NATO, and is doing provocations so the other party will have to be the one to "officially start" the war and then they can "retaliate." That's part of why I was saying it would be smart for NATO to establish very clear ahead-of-time guidelines and then stick to them, so there's no escalation by mistake once missiles do start flying around. Anyway that type of behavior is a time-honored tradition especially for democratic countries that have to worry about the public perception (US with Japan before WW2, US with Vietnam at Tonkin Gulf, Israel at all times...). I don't think that's what they are doing for a couple of reasons, but it's the only other explanation besides what I said that makes any sense to me.
Of course they are moving ahead. A billion in EU buys many times less than the same billion does in russia. Furthermore, russia has never - at least in the last two-three lifetimes - acted logically. A failed/miscalculated/etc attempt at an invasion still brings death and destruction.
Think about why it does
Governments and rulers do not follow me and you logic, they act for themself and according to their interests
Because no one in their right mind wants rubles, so money comparisons that involve rubles have to be corrected back to reality before the values actually match. If you go by the exchange rate alone, you might as well be comparing dollars to lollipops or something.
This would entitle russia to shot down all the planes that enter their airspace
Oh wait lol
Russia is already shooting down anything that enters their airspace (or trying to, mostly succeeding). As well as lots and lots of things which are outside their airspace including civilian airliners sometimes. It's only in NATO-land that it's this big crisis like "oh no oh no whatever shall we do."
They just recently got into big beef with Azerbaijan because they shot down Azerbaijani civilian airliner and instead of apologizing and offering compensations to victim's families - they just got "wait did you expect flying in here?".
So yeah, not like any decisions now gonna change anything since their practice of being terrorists who shoot down civilian aircraft dates back to at least 2014.
All the NATO reconnaissance aircraft that enter their airspace? I think they already do that, as best they can.
NATO jets arent the ones violating other countries airspaces, Im pretty sure they already have this line of thinking anyway. I mean they shoot down civilian airliners anyway.
Lol