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Charlie Kirk Memorial
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Let's remember Charlie Kirk for who he was.
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage." -Charlie Kirk
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That thing pointed at his head doesn't even resemble a gun. I'm not entirely sure what it is, from the context I'm assuming its something from the movie "honey I shrunk the kids", presumably a shrinking device, but I've not seen that film. It's also not pointed at his neck. Further, as I mentioned already, the face shrinking thing is a meme that predates his killing by years. I would not even be surprised if it wasn't an old meme that has been reposted, though I don't know either way as I've not seen this one previously. And again, if you think this particular meme celebrates his murder, I ask you, what in your mind should a meme making fun of him that does not celebrate it look like?
The thing pointed at him is the shrink ray from the movie they are parodying with the meme.
Okay.. so it has been less than 2 weeks, there is a meme in a Lemmy community dedicated to his death called Charlie Kirk Memorial, along with plenty of other content mocking & celebrating his death... and here is a meme, with an object (a shrink gun) used to fire things pointed at his head, saying "Honey I shrunk my face," where the assassin was trying to hit him, but instead hit his neck causing blood to pour out, and you're going to try to legitimately argue that it is an innocent meme merely meant to make fun of him? If you want to have an honest conversation, let's do it, but you're not being honest.
I am being honest, and I have explained my thinking on that manner. To be frank, I do not see what more you would want me to say to convince you of that, it isn't like I can just telepathically show you what my feelings on it are or something. Mind you, I'm not arguing that every meme is "innocent" in that regard, that most are, or even that the other memes in this community are. I'm arguing that this specific one is, because it doesn't resemble the memes I've seen about the shooting, it resembles the ones I've seen made for a long time before it.
Neither are you. A shrink ray is NOT a gun, it's NOT pointed at his neck and to argue as such is a bad faith argument and you're just here to stir up trouble. Why do you hate freedom so much, Timewarp?
Wikipedia, Gemini & other sources disagree with you. Why be disingenuous about it? And to claim I hate freedom... why? What would make you think that? I am here defending freedom saying celebrating killing people for their speech, because you disagree with it, is anti-freedom & a fascist ideology.
Have you seen Honey I Shrunk the Kids? What this is based on? It's a shrink ray mounted on a table with microchips and a baseball. That's not any gun shape that has ever existed in the history of ever. Show me a screenshot of the movie where the shrink ray is a hand held weapon with a trigger. I don't care what your hallucinating AI BS says. It's wrong.
And it's a simple question. You want us to curb our free speech. My freedom. Because you hate it. So really the only discussion with having is WHY you hate it freedom. Why do we need to give it up?
A gun can be mounted & remotely activated. It is on Wikipedia as well referring to a shrink ray as a gun. Anyway my point wasn't that I don't think you have a right to say what you want, because I do & tried to make that clear as well. If you want to celebrate the murder of people for their ideas, those who even advocated for free speech, then you do you. I just think you're increasing the divide & playing with fire.
Watch the movie. It's not a gun. I can't believe you haven't seen the movie. That's sad.
I notice you dropped the point of it being pointed at the neck. Good call.
I never, NEVER, said I celebrate the death of people for their ideals. Do not put words into my mouth. You keep trying to stifle people's views and call us celebrating, and keep us from expressing our views. So that's why I ask why you're trying to limit our freedom. Why do you hate freedom? It's a simple question that you should be able to answer.
I've been consistently clear that I support your right to have those views. No where have I said that you should be banned. In fact, if someone were to try to ban you I'd be opposed to that. So to act like I hate freedom is disingenuous, which I believe you're ultimately being.
I've stated that I think what you're doing is what does damage, not that I don't support your right to do it. But I feel like if you actually care about humane causes you should put more thought into your actions.
If next election you get even less voters because voters see things like this & say to themselves, "those people acted gross & dehumanizing," then how does it help you?
If someone like Trump does end up trying to go after people for speech, then how do you think you can argue non-hypocritically that it's okay for you to be happy when someone silences free speech, but act appalled when Trump does it?
It is up to others to judge. You can certainly see historically the word gun has been a broad enough term to include a shrink ray gun. And to say, "it's aimed at the head & not the neck" is rather weak from my perspective.