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Canada’s tariff wall on Chinese electric vehicles is deepening dependence on the U.S. (theconversation.com)

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wasn't saying you specifically should be making smaller and more frequent stops at the grocery.

You said exactly that. You also said I was being disingenuous.

[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I see why my comment gave that impression. When I wrote:

But when living within a stone's throw of the most commonly visited store, you just go every few days instead of twice a month.

I wasn't using 'you' in the specific, I was using it in the general sense. I should have written "one just goes". That would've made my meaning more clear. If I had said it verbally it would have been obvious by inflection, though text is so often a poor analog for speech.

Anyway, insofar as the disingenuity, yes. Making a straw man argument is disingenuous. Talking specifically about grocery trips then shoehorning in every other errand under the sun isn't a good faith argument.

Regardless, it's good of you to give a lift to friends to go meet the group. One less car on the road contributing to traffic congestion.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Talking specifically about grocery trips then shoehorning in every other errand under the sun isn't a good faith argument.

And as I've said in other comments, going to the grocery store isn't the only thing I do in my life. Not everything is about the exact circumstances of how I keep the pantry stocked. I do a lot of things with my time so every use of that time is a tradeoff against those other things. If it takes an extra hour each week to shop for groceries, that's an hour I don't get to spend on other things that I value. I'm not a grocery-shopping robot designed only for grocery shopping.

I'd buy one of those if they were available, frankly, and thus save even more of my personal time to do things I consider more important. And then people would complain at me even more about the resources I was "wasting." But they're my resources and at a certain point having people telling me I'm bad and wrong for how I use them gets offensive.

[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

You aren't unique in this. Everyone does things beyond grocery shopping. I don't see suggestions that you should take to the dentist, the hardware store, the cinema all on a bike. It's all been about something we all do: groceries. If you took the bike to pick up the milk, your car doesn't get sold out from under you while you're away. If you like pens and use a pencil to sketch something, it doesn't mean you can never use pens again.

Going on about all the other things a car benefits you for is irrelevant when the conversation being had was about one specific circumstance. Now I'm not sure what to think about your statement on going for groceries two or three times a week would cost you an extra hour. If you live so close to the shop, that surely wouldn't be the case. Maybe ten or fifteen minutes I'd figure, unless you're spending quite some time in the store? I'm in and out in ten minutes going a couple times a week because I'm not filling the pantry in one go.

At multiple points in this thread, suggestions have been flatly rejected for reasons of false 'impossibility' and other responsibilities procluding car alternatives. None of what's been suggested has been meant to have you sell your car and solely go with a bike. Replacing one or two trips a week on a bike is fine and reasonable, and very possible for anyone living within a short distance of something as common as a grocery store.

Now I will take a note from @Mavvik@lemmy.ca and bid you adieu. But if nothing else, consider you may be best served in hiring a delivery service in lieu of shopping yourself. Or perhaps toss the car in the river and get a real grocery-getter.