Assuming that it was even legitimate to begin with, which is a big if, a popular vote doesn't automatically legitimize relinquishing territory to a foreign nation.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Assuming that it was even legitimate to begin with

"Democracy is when the stupid foreigners vote how I think they should, otherwise it's not legitimate"

doesn't automatically legitimize relinquishing territory to a foreign nation.

If the people vote overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine, then that shows that Crimea isn't Ukraine's to relinquish or not. Liberals and abandoning democracy as soon as it becomes a rhetorical inconvenience for them, name a more iconic duo.

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

plebecites that don't go my way are automatically illegitimate

Oh look another imperialist

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

TFW when being pro-Russia with regards to the Ukraine conflict is also being imperialist 🤡

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago

recognizing the geopolitical reality of the situation is not being pro-Russia 🤡

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

PIGPOOPBALLS

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago

a "popular vote" doesn't automatically legitimize relinquishing territory to a foreign nation.

Good you acknowledge that even the westoid cope for the Euromaidan coup is bullshit.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If your aim is to prevent war, what is your solution for when the vast majority of people in one country want to join another, and vote accordingly?

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

A complicated situation certainly, but whatever the answer is, it is not "collude with a neighbouring foreign nation, allow them to invade, and provoke a military conflict."

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

a complicated situation

proceeds to construct the most disingenuous and untrue summary of the situation

smuglord

[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Justliberalthings.jpg

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago

So you don't have an answer, but "a vote followed by annexation" is unacceptable for some reason? Why reject a peaceful solution that results in people having the government they want to live under?

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Apparently it's "collude with local fascists and US MIC and allow them to provoke a military conflict and wage a proxy war with Russia"

Pretty extreme answer for a situation you consider to be "complicated"

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

territorial integrity takes precedence over popular will

we agree taiwan isn't a country then