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[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Canada should not be doing business with either country. When we can, we should decouple from both entirely.

No need to make nice with hostile dictatorships. Especially when those hostile dictatorships are constantly attacking our country and citizens on a regular basis.

Buy a bike. Electric cars are not the answer.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 11 points 6 days ago (29 children)

Right, a bike. That's going to help me bring all those groceries home, it'll be an okay form of transport when it's raining or -30°C, when I need to go across the city on an errand or appointment, when I need to give someone a lift, when I'm visiting a relative who lives the next city over, and so forth and so on.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I have 4 kids. Comments telling me to put their groceries and hockey gear in a basket are hilarious.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And glossing over the weather with "wear a raincoat" or "wear warm clothing", too. People are aware this is the canada@lemmy.ca community, yes? A lot of Canadian cities get weather where it's downright deadly to be outside for extended periods.

If you enjoy biking and you can make it work for you in your personal circumstances, sure, by all means go ahead and bike. But don't car-shame those who don't.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I lived in Northern Canada for most of my life. -40 to -50 without a wind chill was normal. We put on warm clothes to go outside for extended periods.

I will car shame anyone in a major city with a vehicle. Mass transit exists.

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[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

This comment went much longer than I expected, and in general I don't think it useful to beat anyone over the head about riding a bike. Doubly so on a post than ostensibly has nothing to do with bike riding.

Enjoy the read.

It's always a fun read to see groceries as the prime excuse for taking the car. Is the trolley used for the initial collection of the foods closer in size to a car than it is a bicycle? Perhaps a Smart ForTwo.

Oulu, in Finland, has the same population density as London, Ontario. Three quarters of the population in Oulu rides a bike on a regular basis, with a quarter of all trips being by bicycle. About 40% ride through the winter, even though Oulu is consistently colder than Toronto through the entire winter. Just about every child rides their bike to school all year round. If an elementary student in Finland can do it, a grown adult in Canada certainly can.

Despite worse conditions in winter, Oulu citizens (Oluans?) cycle circles around Canadians. The reason is pretty straight forward. Oulu has more dedicated cycling pathway than Ontario has Highway 401, at nearly 1,000 kilometres. More importantly, Oulu has its most frequented cycle pathways plowed inside 3 hours of a 2cm snowfall with a guarantee that snow won't accumulate more than 4cm. In comparison, Toronto doesn't even start plowing their roads until 5cm of snowfall.

When the infrastructure is in place, and the snow is properly managed, people can go about their day just as they would otherwise. Oulu does snow management so well, people there don't even use studded bicycle tires.

"When your only exposure to winter is the walk across the parking lot to your car, you never get used to the weather, and you get an exaggerated sense of how cold it gets." - some guy

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[–] orioler25@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Not even a joke, someone on a bike was struck by a car and killed just a few blocks away from me this very morning; fourth one in the past few years in this area.

"Buy a bike," is such privileged shit, dude. Most people in Canada do not live in a place where bikes are a viable option. I don't have an extra three hours in my day that also puts me at substantially higher risk of bodily harm. If they're not affluent hobbyist the most common bike rider is someone who cannot afford the expense of a vehicle and are exploited much more heavily by our public transport system.

Car dependency is certainly an existential issue that manifests in Canada's city planning, cost of living, and environmental footprint. What you just said, that people's choices are the problem, is exactly the narrative the state and capitalists would like you to subscribe to. It is a systemic issue remedied only by decades of consistent advocacy and action.

Why don't you take a look at the authorities in Canadian territory that have fought tooth and nail to defend system we have for the better part of the last century?

[–] Mavvik@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Infrastructure is not the best for cyclists I agree and I dont blame you for feeling unsafe for riding your bike. Everyone has a different threat model though and most Canadians live in large urban areas with large and expanding bike networks that they can take advantage of. That might not mean commuting to work by bike but maybe trips like going to the grocery store or the dentist can be replaced by bike trips.

I do agree that safe cycling infrastructure is one of the largest barriers to getting people on bikes, but let's not pretend that there is some big modern day conspiracy against bike lanes. It's everyday people who fight tooth and nail against every bike lane that is proposed because they will take away parking or driving lanes. Doug Ford might have a personal vendetta against bike lanes but many many people support this vendetta and support Ford because he is trying to remove them.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I'm so tired of privileged people in the city talking down to everyone else like we don't know how cities work ("different threat models" fuck outta here with that bullshit). I've lived in cities ranging from 200k to 700k and guess what? There isn't bike infrastructure; you share the road and there's some adequate bike-lanes in affluent neighbourhoods that I don't give a shit about. In the city I'm currently in, bike-lanes share a merge with turning lanes f so nooooobody uses them because they don't want to get nailed by some douchebag in a light truck who can't even see past the steering wheel. Nobody is talking about a conspiracy, this is the reality of neoliberal politics and the ruins of suburban sprawl. When I say, "authorities" I'm referring to the systems of power that operate in opposition to workers and the land that relegates decisions for infrastructure to affluent land-owners who couldn't give a shit less about sustainability or accessibility. I also saw you put "wear warm clothes" as a response to someone saying that dangerous winter weather makes bikes impractical like you're on some Marie Antoinette shit. Don't talk to me like you understand any of this when it's obvious you haven't actually had to live in different places in this country.

Regardless of that, car-dependency makes biking distances prohibitively expensive in the one way that you clearly have never had to think about: time. I do not have the fucking time to bike to my dentist or grocery store -- even if I had a backfiets that could actually carry groceries -- when everything is spaced out to accomodate cars. It's nice that you have time for that, most people have work and responsibilites that puts their time at a premium and that makes biking a very low priority on how to live sustainably. I cannot afford to bike. Everything you've said speaks from the distorition that individual choice is a primary vector for change when we know that systemic causes for decisions, like driving instead of biking, provide more effective explanations and paths to real change. You subscribe to the very narratives that are used to reproduce this unsustainable way of life and have the gall to sit there and act like you know better than others. -

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[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How about instead of riding a bike you walk? Or are the evil capitalists attacking sidewalks now too?

It is absolutely your choice on how you decide to live, and you can find an extra three hours in a day to use transit, bike, or walk. Start by cutting out any screen time over an hour in a day and you will likely find an extra 5.

Take care.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The rural parts of Canada would like to have a word. A bike ain't gonna cut it unless your young and single and living in a city.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I had a bike living in the rural parts of Canada, and used it to get everywhere within the 50-100 kms I needed to go.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

did not know that was possible

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly a massive game changer if one uses a bike for transportation.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

i go every where on a kick scooter now (electric)... I'm now looking into an electric bike as I had assumed they did not work well in winter

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 6 days ago

And even then a lot of cities aren't set up to make bike travel easy.

Years ago, in the before times, the office I worked at was within biking distance of my house and I routinely biked there. It was nice. Then they moved the office downtown and it was either a half-hour commute by car, an hour long commute by bus, and I-don't-know-how-long-by-bike-because-fuck-that-epic-journey commute by bike. I bussed a lot, but that meant I was wasting an hour of my time each day. I wasn't fond of that. I hadn't entirely settled on which approach was better overall before Covid hit and I never went back to that office again by either route.

There happens to be a grocery store within biking distance of my house. I drive a car there anyway, because even living solo I still like to get several weeks worth of groceries when I go shopping. No way am I hauling cargo like that on a bike even if I had a trailer for it.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Both economies are too big for that to be feasible.

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