so when Victoria Nuland picked Ukraine's new government after instigating a coup and they killed ~16,000 ~~civilians~~ people in Donbas between 2014 and 2022 those were friendly, non-aggressive artillery shells?

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

~16,000 civilians in Donbas between 2014 and 2022

where is this number from? the 10k+ numbers i've seen for the war all include military dead as well

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think it was in the OSCE special monitoring mission reports, I'll update if I can find

EDIT: well, might be vegan egg substitute on my face on this one. the OSCE numbers I can find so far for a 3 year period (2017-2020) are in line but only if it inlcudes all casualties not just civilians

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

you are probably right. I've crossed it out and will adjust my posting

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

rat-salute thank you for looking into it

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