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[–] Juice@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

Ken Klippenstein verified some of these details in his interviews and research https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie

You do realize that just believing the opposite of what your enemy says is not engaging in factual analysis right? Our enemies can, and do, twist their narratives in many ways in order to obscure facts by encouraging tribalist, campist justification in their enemies (us.)

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I don’t see any messages in that post that confirm the dialogue I posted.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

My reading of what you said was that there was no basis for Robinson's relationship to a trans person. you know damn well I can't account for those lines as they come from court documents.

Retreating to a specificity in a disagreement is not a way to make yourself right, its a way to make me wrong. If I want to, I can retreat to some generality where I feel right and you appear to be wrong. This is exactly the kind of campist reasoning I try to avoid in good faith.

My whole point was to caution against conspiratorial thinking, which is something i admit I also get caught up in very easily. I acknowledge that a fight has its own logic, and that logic does not always lead to the discovery of fact, but can deepen misunderstanding. You clearly disagree with me which is fine. I'm not trying to give you a lecture or give the right a pass. I fight the right every day in my communities through political organizing, others oppose the right in different ways. We need all hands on deck, pulling the same direction to reverse the momentum of forces organized against us.

I'm trying to caution someone who I view as an ally not to fall into a trap. You try to characterize me as an enemy because I ask you to show caution. I am not your enemy. This is exactly how the people in power motivate narratives in order to divide regular people so we can't fight them together.

But I promise you, being a conspiratorial crank will not win people over to our side. That's why I try to resist it in myself and urge caution in others. But you do you, I'm not the thought cops.

[–] danzabia 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Bro trying to turn this cesspool into ACX o7

[–] Juice@midwest.social 1 points 5 months ago

The writer marketplace? Yeah I tend to overdo it.

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