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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The last time they gave a Nazi a standing ovation, Chrystia Freeland aggressively pushed back against any calls to investigate how many Nazis Canada had harbored, and worked to thoroughly bury the story. And this wasn’t even her first Nazi scandal.

If the government tries to stop people from investigating Nazis (including your “left” party), it’s infested with Nazis.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That's not true. These types of investigations basically hand over tons of political power to your opponent. Anything discovered can be implied to be the government's fault, and if little is found then it's the government wasting money.

We don't have the required refinement in the media and the political engagement of the average citizen to effectively use these kinds of investigations.

Leveraging this type of investigation is part of how Stephen Harper best Paul Martin.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t give a damn if an investigation of government support of Nazis becomes a political setback for liberals.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It's not whether it becomes a setback for liberals, it's how much it bolsters neofascist elements in the conservative party.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So we should protect liberal neofascists against conservative neofascists?

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 0 points 36 minutes ago (1 children)

I don't know the route to progressive politics in Canada. I used to think that if the conservatives won, people would see how bad it got would help turn the tide left. But that's not working, the US is a perfect example of that. If you vote neoliberal they pass shitty policies that make people's lives worse and the people then vote for right wing neofacists. If you vote neofacists you get what you asked for.

I'm politically exhausted, but I know that delaying or ideally preventing neofascist is important to me, even if the only means to do that right now (support neoliberals) is a path to eventual neofacist victory as well.

I now have several queer and trans friends that have moved to Canada because of neofascism in the US making it unsafe for them. Some are even seeking asylum in Canada now. I don't want Canada to become unfriendly to them. Undermining the Liberals in a way that bolsters the Conservatives will do exactly that.

How do I get the NDP to win or become significant enough to affect the outcome of Canadian politics and move us left? I don't know but it's not by giving credence to claims that the Liberals are Nazis. Doing that is just paving the way for PP and neofascism. Doing that will directly harm my queer friends and every other minority group in Canada.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

Yeah, if you’re still supporting centrism as an answer to increasing fascism, you’re still not understanding what’s going on and won’t see a clear solution. And your friends obviously haven’t been paying attention to the news in Canada for the past 10 years.

If you really want to understand it, just read Marx.