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I don't mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism
Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn't raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters
Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I've seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter.
He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the "for you" feed.
He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world.
It's quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal.
Allowing voting machines to connect to Starlink and that largely happening in the rural areas of swing states, coupled with the snarky “we have a plan” comments and jokes, should raise more concern that it has thus far.
That's happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what's seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see.
There's no doubt that social media has been weaponized to affect people's opinion. That is not the same as "rigging an election".
Okay this is what I've gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump's history, his many statements while campaigning it's not hard to believe there wasn't cheating but if it's this who knows.
There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven't been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it's a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris's votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin's votes. Again I haven't looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well.
As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn't matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren't pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don't think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I'd be curious just to know but I'm also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it's not an exclusive list.
Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc.
Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They're looking to overturn those peoples' convictions.
I'm sure there is more that I'm leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that's rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better).
Gerrymandering doesn't effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don't matter). I've seen far too many people who think it does.
Sure. That's fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we're in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time).
We lost because we didn't vote. End of story. All of this "fraud" non-sense is absolutely pathetic and just an excuse for the stubborn who didn't vote against Trump.
There was no "vote against Trump". What you mean is "vote for Kamala Harris", but why don't you just say that? Maybe because you don't want to think about why Democrats wouldn't vote for her?
Not enough of us voted, certainly, but they have been slowly marginalizing and dividing us for decades. It's disingenuous to discount that as a major factor. While other countries have made voting day a holiday and bolstered the abilities and required voting, Republicans have worked against voters to create a specific outcome.
A walk is much harder when it's uphill and the wind is against you.
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
Trumpers filed 70 some lawsuits. I guess that alone means Trump actually won in 2020.
We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box.
1000% agree, paper ballots only, no more electronic tallying.
If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don't think I want it.
Even being FOSS and cryptographically signed is just partial solution, frankly.
Even if the software is FOSS and publicly reviewed, that doesn't ensure it's what is actually running on the hardware, or that the hardware can be trusted. The whole system needs comprehensive open design and review - and it gets complicated fast.
Throwing cryptography at voting creates some intriguing complications with interesting solutions, what with the usual voting system requirements (separation of voter identity from ballots, while still allowing the voter to verify the ballot was received correctly, is a huge problem).
And there's always someone going "WhY wE dOn't jUst uSe bLoCkChAiN" as if that magically solves all of the problems 🤦🏻♀️
Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it'll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote.
Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that's less bad than the current voting machine system.
Means motive and opportunity. They cheated. They cheat in every way they can. There's not enough time in the day to catalog all the where is.
Blue MAGA bullshit.
There are several lawsuits that allege massive discrepancies in down ballot races in counties all over the USA
No, there are a couple making accusations in states that Harris won.
You sound exactly like a Trump supporter.