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Feel your feelings. Do what's right for you. Nobody else makes that decision for you.
I've spent the last eight years infiltrating white supremacists on social media. I have seen people like Charlie and what their conversation is like when they're among their own and the masks are off. That's why I don't feel bad for him, I have seen their true faces.
You dont need to feel bad for him. You dont need to mourn and you can be happy that he is dead. But if that video of him dying didnt make you feel awful, because you just watched somebody die, then dont you think you might need to take a look at yourself? How much snuff content have you watched to get to a point where somebody gushing blood from their neck doesnt feel bad, you actually feel good watching it? Dont you see how thats a little bit disturbing?
It feels good to know absolutely vile trash of humans are gone. It wasn't even that gruesome or slow of a way to go. He's caused FAR more suffering than he got in return, so if you cannot understand how otherwise good people can celebrate the moment of someone so vile leaving this earth...
then maybe YOU should do some reflection and be extremely thankful you've lived such a sheltered life that a quick, nigh painless death of someone so deserving is gross to you.
I dont think we are talking about the same thing here. Im not evem sure you read my comment properly.
I am glad he is gone. He was a abhorrent piece of garbage.
But i dont take pleasure in watching people die. Thats what the sentiment is here. Joy and pleasure at watching people die.
I also dont know i can agree about me having a sheltered life. I have witnessed and experienced the death of others in my life. And it is always foul. I guess not living in the US being surrounded by death and mass shootings on an weekly basis means i still find it sickening.
I just think that feeling happy someone died and feeling happy watching someone die are two different things
One is joy that someone evil has been ended, one is joy at watching blood explode from someones neck.
I hope you see my point.
Edit: i feel i need to clarify. Death is gross to me. No matter how "quick", "painless" or "deserving" it was.
I read it, I was responding to it.
My point is, this IS NOT "watching people die". It's watching this one, specific, utterly vile piece of shit die.
Just like those who go view a death penalty execution, the reaction is subjective. Maybe YOU do not viscerally feel his terribleness like others do, but to some of us who have loved ones who were harmed by him, or otherwise understand how bad he was, it's like watching a child rapist get put down. Sure, it might still be gross if it wasn't YOUR child they raped, but that direct family might be clapping in that viewing room...
Your inability to understand how fucking disgusting kirk was is merely your own failing. Again, this IS NOT the same as just watching randos die on the internet.
At all.
So your humanity is on a sliding scale? Death is only gruesome and foul if it happens to good people? Is there a specific point where it flips from ok to not ok?
Hating someone and wishing they were dead is not the same as taking pleasure in watching them die. My comment is responding to the original post about OP taking joy in watching the video. You are straw-manning my point. Twisting it into something else.
Do you see what i am saying?
I followed this stuff very closely. I know who kirk was. I despised him outright. You are mistaking my disgust for murder for empathy. I hated him. But i dont want to watch him explode blood from his neck.
Cant you see how foul that is? You are really gonna compare it to the frankly archaic practice of death row and watching people get killed? What is this the fucking 1800s?
No, you refuse to understand that other people feel differently based on perspective. Grow the fuck up and realize you are not the only moral being on this planet you fucking sheltered child.
No sense of irony in that response.
How are you going to accuse me of not understanding other peoples feelings on a matter when you are responding in the exact way that you describe.
I am struggling to see it your way. Yes. But what makes it more difficult is you dont want to try to help me understand. You just want to attack me, attack my character and throw me aside because you dont seem to be able to deal with me having a different opinion to you.
I am trying to understand how someone can feel pleasure watching someone gush blood from the neck. Please stop calling me sheltered, its innacurate and offensive.
I completely understand finding joy in kirks death. 100% he was a monster. I dont know how many times i have to say it.
But watching someone die and knowing someone died are completely different things. The joy that is felt from each comes from very different places.
Cant we just talk about this instead of fighting about it? I'm serious. Take a step back, think about this. Charlie kirk has died and we are here arguing about it despite both hating the man.
I personally draw a line between being happy a bad person died, and sitting there watching him die in a gruesome way and enjoying the sight of it. I dont think it makes you better because you can stomach watching that. But thats what it feels like you are saying.
I hope you understand i am trying to just talk about this. Im not trying to cause more anger.
You won't understand unless you yourself have been personally harmed by such vile people. That's what I'm saying. The frustration comes from you attempting to take the moral high ground when you are simply, literally, ignorant.
When someone permanently changes your life by injecting misery in to it, misery you cannot shake or forget, your views of that person sour in a way that words cannot describe. Especially when they're a stranger that knows nothing about you, yet still will gleefully harm you and permanently change the direction of your life.
You should be happy to not know what that is like, but do not mistake your ignorance for greater morals.