this post was submitted on 10 Sep 2025
1263 points (99.3% liked)
News
32141 readers
4343 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I don't know why everyone thinks people are talked out of being fascists eventually. That's a completely ahistorical viewpoint.
Even in the "they thought they were free" interviews after Hitler some of the subjects were still kinda fucking pro-Hitler.
They will find a way to continue to love dear leader even if their entire lives and country are ruined.
I'd love to be wrong about this, but I just don't see that I am.
Yes, there is no middle ground between talking to and using a sniper rifle from 200 yards away.
There is no middle ground with fascists. They only solution, as demonstrated historically, is putting their dicks in the dirt.
Not what I said at all.
There are violent means to end fascism and authoritarianism and nonviolent means, but in all cases it has more to do with building massive support from people who aren't in the cult, not converting the cultists themselves into non-believers using rational argument.
What does this actually change for fascists? How does taking out Charlie Kirk change the course of the future in favor of the left?
When people on the left were run over by a psychotic asshole on the right in Charlottesville, did the left shrink back or did they rally behind the people that were attacked?
Taking him out means he is no longer recruiting new fascists in universities and colleges around the country. It is also one less fascist alive. Both are positives.
There's one less of them.
There are a number of ways that this is an inept comparison, but ultimately it doesn't matter. It's not relevant to what we were talking about.
You aren't converting cultists back to normal using rational debate and discourse. 1) that's just largely not how the human brain works, and 2) if rational discourse and debate decultified people the cult would be empty by now instead of swelling up with new members.
We live in a time of abundance of discourse and debate bro antics (this dude used to be a ringleader at those circuses) and it is more fascist and culty than ever.
Compare any in group's support for war and bloodlust pre and post an attack on a member of their perceived in group by a member of the perceived out-group.
Or don't. I'm sure this will fix everything and we can only go up from here.
I'm just not going to be particularly upset about this, and I also don't share your view that if it hadn't happened we were right on the brink of defeating fascism and this sent "the cause" some large distance backwards.
People are being kidnapped and disappeared daily. There are troops in DC and LA and they're planning to send them to other cities. Trump is using our military to commit war crimes without so much as even a wink and a nod from congress. The only thing we're "on the brink" of is a government sponsored domestic genocide.