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Some theists believe God is immaterial and therefore unobservable by science, similar to multiverse theory
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I think this is where most theists go when you press them for evidence.
It isn't that they don't believe he exists, he's just someplace we can't see. (Or "see") and we should totally buy into their behavior rules because of it. Including giving money.
Yeah, I agree with being skeptical of rules of churches. However, something must have worked out well for them to maintain an ideology or pattern of behaviors over the generations, from parents to children, parents to children, parents to children, on and on for hundreds of years. I can't even follow-through on my new years resolution, yet the church has figured out how to keep people praying beyond their lifespan. We could learn a thing or two as to how they are able to change patterns of behavior consistently for a long period of time. Rituals, concerts, rankings, aesthetics, events/meetings, these are all factors
it's called being a manipulative asshole.
More to the point, christianity's "popularity" literally has more to do with genociding everyone and everything else. Colonialism was literally because up until recently, Christians straight up thought and believed the didn't just have the right, but the obligation, to subjugate everyone else. This is why, for example, they absolutely genocided- or tried to- native peoples literally everywhere they went.
They also don't stop behaviors that are very negative to society- rape, misogyny, being anti-science, or even things like murder, theft, or drunk driving. So no, I don't think christianity or any religion is going to be a net good. At best they're useless social clubs. At worst... use your imagination.
I recognize that this is a dark thought. If good people die off, then is good not biologically adaptive? We can think of institutions, colonialism, religion as predatory super-organisms or hiveminds. If they keep propagating while those who you are sympathetic toward don't, then it seems like something is not working here, yeah? It could be adopting predatory behavior yourself, but obviously that's not desirable. Then all I can think of is anti-predator adaption such as hiding/ invisibility/camouflaging, pretending to be a bigger threat, being part of a big crowd, or fighting back. I got most of these from this wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-predator_adaptation
yeah. you just sound like an asshole.
Sorry. But no. I'm opposed to all of that.
They literally genocided entire populations of indigenous people (and other Christians,) and your attitude seems to be "yeah but it seems to work for them so we should do that too"
NO. absolutely not. FUCK NO.
I'm not the nicest person, but at least I chose to be better than that.
to what end or by what metric? I mean you ought to be anti-materialist, religious, or idealistic if you don't value your own survival for its own sake. It'd be spiritual or non-materialistic to believe that there's something more significant than the outcomes of who gets to survive/die. Same applies for associated cruel but successful strategies (i.e., capitalism, colonialism, statism, militarism)
It's just a con game. "Give me money or that guy around the corner you can't see is going to beat you up!'
Asking why the unseen thug isn't appearing, visible, or existing just gets you another "Uh, he's around the next corner! Now give me the money/believe the thing I tell you to/do the religious thing I want you to!"
Behavior rules my ass, they're common thugs. Stop treating them as if they had empathy, morality, or conscience - and start giving that extra effort to those sane, rational people that deserve it.
This is a good point, and symbolically speaking, lying is almost like playing god considering that God is "all-knowing", and the liar is distorting knowledge. The liar assumes the power to know what others are thinking. Also, liars assume the power to change reality or perception of reality. Generally, lying is a power, which resembles god because he is all powerful. Using power to ill-ends is obviously undesirable. In the Adam & Eve story, snakes, generally, are symbols of lies, and the apple was a symbol of desire / knowledge / becoming god-like. So coming back to your point, conjuring up a boogieman, or conning someone, is diety-like because you are using the realm of imagination (i.e., god) to change reality, but it's snake-like or satan-like to manipulate imagination to harmful ends. Notably, imagination is also "timeless, spaceless, and immaterial" and in my opinion i think god is imaginary. "God is imaginary" is very atheist sounding, but It's also religious from a platonic forms perspective.