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Seeing someone "vaguelly left" unironically defending the extrajudicial murder of Rosa fucking Luxembourg was not in my bingo card.

Note that even Germany itself celebrates Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not to be rude but like, was your major in alt history? You clearly need a heavy refresher on the German revolution before you’re qualified to talk about this, so I’d suggest you start with that before responding. To be clear, I’ll downvote and move on if your next response isn’t at least mostly rooted in fact.

Sorry that you don't like your own source being quoted to contradict you?

Nope

Yep

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Wels

On 9 November 1918, the date of the proclamation of the republic in Germany, Wels spoke to the Naumburg rifle brigade at their request to explain the political situation following the collapse of the German Empire at the end of World War I. The brigade was one of the units considered especially loyal to Emperor Wilhelm II that had been brought into the city as reinforcements against revolutionary activity. Wels convinced the soldiers that to avoid a civil war they should not use their weapons. At the end of his speech, the brigade went over in a body to the side of the supporters of the German Revolution. Buoyed by his success, Wels spoke at other barracks so persuasively that he was credited with keeping the death toll that day to just fifteen.[4]

Also on 9 November, Wels became a member of the revolutionary Workers' and Soldiers' Council of Berlin. He advocated successfully for the Independent Social Democratic Party (USPD) – a more leftist and anti-war group that had broken away from the SPD in 1917 – to be represented equally with the SPD on the Council. The next day, he was made military commander of Berlin.[5]

The Volksmarinedivision was the revolution's main military unit in Berlin and as such under Wels' control. In December 1918, the Council of People's Deputies, Germany's temporary government, ordered the division to move outside Berlin and reduce the number of its soldiers. When they refused, Wels withheld their pay to force them to comply. During the week before Christmas, he attempted to negotiate with them, but when no progress was made, they detained and maltreated him.[6] Assaults on the division's locations at the Berlin Palace and Neuer Marstall by regular troops loyal to the government – the 1918 Christmas crisis – failed to dislodge the mutineers. Negotiations led to a compromise under which the Volksmarinedivision, in exchange for receiving its back pay and remaining a unit, vacated the Palace and Marstall and freed Wels, who was forced to step down from his position as city commander.[7]

No “coup” (“revolution” makes a lot more sense as a label) yet.

"It's a revolution because I like this attempt to prevent democratic elections"

The army thing is referring to this:

As mentioned and quoted above, it's not "a dispute over backpay"

Eichhorn would be subsequently dismissed, not for anything you stated but because he wouldn’t “reliably” immediately resort to deadly force against fellow leftists.

"It's okay if a police chief approves of military forces taking politicians hostages if I really agree with them"

Because the people Ebert called the army on were the navy servicemen. They knew firsthand how ghoulish that asshole really was.

"Ghoulish is when the civilian government doesn't allow the military to make its own orders and take hostages whenever it likes"

If you think my position is unnecessarily prejudiced against the uprising and not worth responding to, that's fine. But I think you're really downplaying the connection between the Bolsheviks and the thinking of the leadership of the Spartacist Uprising.