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The majority of the sweeping tariffs Donald Trump imposed during his second term face one final litmus test that will determine whether he can continue to levy them – and also whether businesses are eligible for massive refunds.

That potentially dramatic turn in the tariff saga comes after a federal appeals court ruled on Friday that Trump unlawfully leaned on the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to impose across-the-board duties on countries.

Trump had used those powers to push import tax rates as high as 50% on India and Brazil – and as high as 145% on China earlier this year.

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[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 307 points 19 hours ago (33 children)

Not only will the consumers never see a dime of any of the money if it's refunded, the companies aren't going to lower prices because you've already absorbed the price shock.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 134 points 19 hours ago (19 children)

Right. Everything today is about softening you up. They say, we will kill you—and you panic—then they roll it back to just losing an arm, and you’re happy about it.

[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 35 points 19 hours ago (15 children)
[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Is that how frogs are cooked? Like a lobsters?

[–] don@lemmy.ca 29 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

It’s a common myth that frogs will stay in boiling water if the water is heated slowly enough. They can sense heat and will most definitely attempt to escape.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago

The original test had frogs brains removed. A brainless frog will not jump out of water when the temperature is slowly increased. If you increase the temperature quickly though, even a brainless frog will react to temperature change out of raw reflex.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 13 hours ago

Trying to get a frog to stay where you want it is difficult regardless of water temperature.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)
[–] don@lemmy.ca 7 points 17 hours ago

No, they’ll still attempt to escape.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 4 points 18 hours ago

The heavy lid of tariffs 😬

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I haven’t even heard that as a common myth. Lobsters, yes. We are lobsters. Frogs? Perhaps very obese frogs

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It's a misunderstanding of an old experiment where frogs were lobotomized before being exposed to the slowly rising temperature of the water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Fascinating. People are sick though.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It’s far more of a metaphor than it is an actual cooking technique

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 3 points 15 hours ago

If you’re going to eat me, please kill me first. Then, Bon appétit!

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