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[–] Feyd@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So just doomerism. Frankly, that's not useful, and all you're doing is helping the powerful by spreading it.

[–] anothernobody@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You're delusional if you think that this is doomerism. And you're actually proving my point. Just like I can't influence you, you can't influence anyone else either. The difference between us is that I'm aware of it while you aren't.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

More like you're peddling pseudointellectual slop. Drawing a conclusion from a single conversation that a point is being proven is silly, for one thing.

But you also have refused to admit you're making a point even when prompted directly. The logical conclusion of saying "nothing will change the outcome" is "don't try". And of course we aren't changing each others minds in this short conversation. I have deep seated beliefs that the common people can effect change, if only enough of them could wake up, and that part of the puzzle is the manufactured consent framework, as I mentioned - and you denied - then walked back partially with some drivel about human nature.

Meanwhile you don't seem to stand for anything, except maybe "trying is pointless". Everyone knows positive change is an uphill battle. You're not telling anyone anything new.

[–] anothernobody@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have deep seated beliefs that the common people can effect change

But that's just your belief. I rather stick to history as a foundation for any prognosis. Or psychology, especially psychology of the masses. But yeah, if scientific facts are just pseudointellectual slop for you then there is no way to have a productive conversation.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago

There are plenty of times in history when common people have effected change.

[–] FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 1 points 4 days ago

People absolutely influence each other. On the rate of a couple lemmy comments its marginally tiny. But they do.

At risk of sounding cliché, we live in a society.

And heirarchy in not inevitable. The kind of social stratification we see today has only been around roughly 10’000 years. Which is nothing in the grand scheme, in evolutionary time.

For most of human history, human relationships underwent far more egalitarian structure.