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Seeing someone "vaguelly left" unironically defending the extrajudicial murder of Rosa fucking Luxembourg was not in my bingo card.
Note that even Germany itself celebrates Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht
Well said.
I actually accidentally submitted my previous comment but because it wasn't really that cut off and I wanted to get started with other stuff so I left it.
I think the primary reason I think of anarchism as faith is that christians often say they have faith in god and that they believe everything that happens is part of his grand plan. To which I have made the anarchist counter of I don't need to believe in god, I believe in people. That through working together we can create wonderful things and that we don't need some omnipotent force to guide our movements. Both the evil and the good in this world is nothing but actions of people rippling through time. And I believe that most people are good.
It's this weird way of looking all of this theory through a religious lens, but I find it gives me a lot of hope, which is the point of faith. It is dumb and kinda blind, but also very comforting.
Well first, thank you for the compliment, and likewise, you are also skilled at conveying what you mean. =D
However... I would argue that you should consider taking the next step and abandon God and ... that kind of faith entirely... but I also would not demand that you do so.
I will try to explain what I mean by this.
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I am of the 'No Gods, No Masters' school of thought here.
I would describe my philosophy or ... opinion of faith as roughly absurdist/post-modernist:
Sure, faith can be 'real', in the sense that it operates as a kind of hypercharged placebo effect when we decide to make it 'real', in that we do genuienly seem to be biologically predisposed to some form of it, that it is obviously a huge part of our history...
But it isn't 'really real', in that... it is ultimately baseless, there is no evidence that the claims of any particular faith are....big T True, universally.
Faith is a lense, a tool, a construct, perhaps even a hyperreality... but it is ultimately a delusion, comforting though it may be.
Faith is belief without, or in spite of reason.
You are very aware that ... essentially you are still operating in the same, very 'big' mental framework of religion/god/faith, you've just shifted around the components of it, and that is very good, many people do something like this without even realizing that is what they have done, and this almost always leads to massive confusion for them later.
I would say you are staring into the void, the void has stared back into you... and you saw much of it, it changed you greatly... but there was still one aspect of it you would not allow yourself to see, one aspect of you that you did not allow it to destroy within you.
I ... want to say 'be brave, you can handle the full transformation... I believe in you that you can handle a more total reformation of your worldview'.
But the problem is that I know that many people just actually cannot handle that.
I have seen too many people in my own life suffer immensely from going through a more total deconstruction process.
I managed to come out the other end of it and would consider myself decently mentally and emotionally stable at the moment... but the process of deconstructing, of letting go of concepts ... yes it was painful.
I know others from my own life who have been destroyed by the attempt... I do not want to encourage serious harm to others generally, and I do not know you well enough to hazard a guess as to how you would fare, and it... would also seem to be me imposing my will over your own to fully insist that you do, especially as you have directly stated it brings you stability, purpose, sanguinity.
And then, for me, this becomes a sort of meta-paradox that kind of proves my point, that... boundless faith in people is not justified, because people have limits, those limits vary, and I cannot fundamentally 'know' them in advance with certainty... many people do not even know their own limits in advance... thus ... I am 'correct' in a way that is kind of useless in a person to person context.
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Hopefully that all makes some sense and I do not sound like Nietzche in his latter years, hahaha!
Basically, you and I see things differently on this subject... and I think that though our views are different, we both understand the other person's views are largely reasonable, we both have... concerns around the edges, so to speak.
Perhaps we are simply slightly different kinds of people... moving toward similar goals, in slightly different ways. =D
Hahaha, or maybe I've managed to just kill my own soul and you still possess one, ahahah!
That final sentence really made me laugh. Thank you. You have such a fun way of talking. I really like how frequently you use ellipses to give pauses. They really work.
I'm not that serious about religion. I wasn't raised religious and have spent most of my life not really thinking about it. The anarchy as religion think is more just playing with thoughts. Approach ideas from angles that aren't usual and see what you come up with.
Thinking about it more I think the main reason why I've started trusting more in anarchism as a faith than a process is that I live in an environment where anarchist thought really isn't spread. I'm pretty isolated and so it's hard to trust in it as something real because I don't see it anywhere but through the computer. I guess Isolation really is the cause of faith.
But thinking about it further what I consider faith is really not baseless. As it is just "anarchy can exist if people try hard enough". And that's not baseless. pre-archy^1^ was pretty much the same as anarchy and many anarchist project have been incredibly successful. But does that mean that it's not faith and rather a rational belief? And is that difference really that important when most of humanity would say that anarchy is naive and impossible? Making it seem like the belief that people can work together without oppressing each other is just blind faith.
^1^: All of the societies that existed before being invaded by a "civilisation".
At the end of the day what is and isn't rational is entirely based on the information you have available to you. I imagine there were times that prospect of democracy seemed like blind faith.
And I have no concerns about your beliefs. They seem really solid and nice. I'm just here to discuss a topic I've thought about recently.
oh also: "No Gods, No Kings, No Masters, No chains except the ones we choose ourselves."
Sorry for taking a bit to get back to you in this... brain can only handle so much in a day, as can my broken body that has been doing basically only physical therapy for the last... 6? 9 months?
fucking yeeehaw...
Anyway:
Ok, it seems I have overestimated your religiosity, apologies for that, absolutely self-projection from my own experience there.
I come from a right wing, fundie family, and... basically had to deconstruct and reject all of it to be able to ... move forward as an actually sentient and self-aware person, is how I would describe it, haha.
You sound like you have a ... much less intense and extreme background with the concept of faith than I do, and that we do seem to have somewhat different conceptions of related concepts and terms.
As you describe it in this latest comment... yeah, that sounds reasonable, healthy, non delusional.
I don't think I can find real fault with anything you've said here, which is a cumbersome way of saying I agree, hahaha!
Also, yes, I do not mean to be overly confrontational, I mean to have a constructive conversation where we can both learn =D
After all, as you say... beliefs derive from one's knowledge and lived experiences, and I am happy that this convo has been one of those experiences.
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I will freely admit I am literally traumatized from my own past... but I would also say that this is the case for a whole lot more people in the US, anarchist or not, than a lot of non US people seem to realize.
We really are just Ya'll Qaeda over here, it is apparently just difficult for those who haven't lived it to concieve of it.
I don't mean that as an insult to your intelligence or anything like that, I just consistently find that ... it is simply true that the US has a way worse homegrown religious extremism problem than many outside the US seem to understand... roughly once a month, somewhere on lemmy, I end up in some lengthy, polite and informative discussion with a European, where I show them stats, describe things in more detail... and they more or less go 'oh holy shit I did not realize it was that bad and that commonplace'.
So... yeah, apologies again for trauma-projecting.
No need to apologise for both taking your time and your assumptions:
I appear to have run out of things to say as I don't really wish to delve into the situation in america. Just hope you stay safe.
It's been fun talking to you. May we meet again.