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Dbzer0 admin claiming Uyghur genocide is 'overblown and misrepresented' (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 week ago by PugJesus@lemmy.world to c/tankiejerk@lemmy.world

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Scrolling through this, it doesn’t provide any sources bar “NGOs” (it doesn’t bother to name any) and vague estimates.

Citing both Chinese government policy and eyewitnesses isn't enough, huh?

This isn’t loading for me at all.

I'll post it in a comment, but after reading your other objections, I'm not hopeful that you'll glean anything from it.

This one says it’s an opinion formed by a legal group (doesn’t specify the legal group).

Literally in the article:

The 100-page document - written by senior barristers at Essex Court Chambers in London, including Alison Macdonald QC - is understood to be the first formal legal assessment in the UK of China's activities in Xinjiang.

It also doesn’t provide any proof that the forced sterilisations are happening, besides saying they are.

So now we're denying the forced sterilizations, not just questioning whether it counts as a genocide?

This cites Zenz and an APnews article, which in turn cites Zenz.

It doesn't just cite Zenz, the AP news article cites and quotes eyewitnesses, Chinese government documents, and their own journalism, amongst numerous others. The original article, furthermore, cites the BBC and eyewitnesses.

This is really not sounding like it's in good fucking faith.

This mentions the UN report saying china is guilty of Human rights abuses (which I believe it is), but it doesn’t mention genocide at all.

You jump back and forth between demanding evidence for the individual assertions, and evidence for the overall scenario being classified as a genocide - in this very comment responding to the links provided, you have repeatedly balked that it's not called a genocide in links which provide evidence of the abuses; and then balked that evidence of the abuses is not provided in the links which call it a genocide.

This is long, and I don’t have the time to go through it all right now, but skimming it shows cultural erasure, which I believe is happening. It only mentions genocide once, when it says that cultural erasure is a part of China’s genocide.

"It only calls it genocide once when documenting one specific aspect of the genocide"

Are you being fucking serious right now?

I’m not trying to do genocide apologia here,

That's curious, because it's pretty indistinguishable from genocide apologia.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm pretty tired and I just skimmed them, so yeah nevermind most of those points were shit.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Take your time if you're tired, man, don't rush a response. I'm tetchy about a great many things, but I'm not going to jump down your throat for not being quick enough. Respond today, tomorrow, next week, whenever. Respond never if you don't feel like continuing.

I'm immensely irritable because I fight with people in bad faith on here about it, who try to muddy the waters and play denialist games, but if you're legitimately trying to understand - this material is out there, and it paints an immensely fucked up picture. If it's not genocide, not much short of death marches or gas chambers is genocide, and that would be... a very narrow definition of the term that most scholars - those specializing in contemporary as well as historical matters - would not agree with.

[–] FlexiBox@feddit.org -3 points 6 days ago

I don't give a shit about what China is doing because I don't have any lever to influence what the fuck China is doing.

You are the last person to have the legitimacy to whine about china or russia. You voted for a genocider.

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