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And forced sterilization, and starvation, and 'disappearing' prisoners, and systemic violence in concentration camps...
So, you know, pretty similar to everything Israel was doing before October 7th, which was also quite fucking distinctly a genocide.
... but the goal and context of the rhetoric of downplaying Uyghur genocide isn't disturbing?
In the west I would have to say so. If we were in China or somewhere more aligned with them then things would be different.
Personally I don’t feel that pre-Oct 7th Palestine met the definition of a genocide either but I’ve had to accept that people want to throw this term around lightly for some reason these days.
It not being a genocide doesn’t make it in any way acceptable though, to be clear. These things are terrible but they could never bring about the destruction of an ethnically on their own.
... I happen to think that genocide apologia is bad regardless of where it happens.
Radical, it would seem.
It's not 'lightly'. Actions taken with the intent to exterminate an ethnic group, in whole or in part, is literally the definition of genocide, or attempted genocide.
You think that the total suppression of Uyghur culture and the mass sterilization of Uyghur women, resulting in a drop of birth rates by a third combined with the rampant detainment of Uyghur people in concentration camps with high excess death rates compared to the general population couldn't bring about the destruction of an ethnicity in a region?
Or, for the other side of the coin, the mass impoverishment of Palestinians with an eye towards creating abhorrent and high-mortality living standards in the occupied territories, combined with regular mass imprisonment of Palestinians and direct military action against Palestinian civilians and the openly expressed desire to annex and literally colonize Palestinian land with ethnically Jewish settlers, displacing and expelling the Palestinians of the region in the process, couldn't bring about the destruction of the Palestinian ethnicity in Palestine?
Back in 20 fucking 14 I was watching Palestinian children get blown to pieces by Israeli artillery.
Shit's fucked. Shit's been a genocide for a long time. The Holocaust didn't start with gas chambers. It escalated until gas chambers were where it ended.