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[–] protist@mander.xyz 19 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I thought we weren't doing food wars?

proceeds to do food wars

It's obvious humans evolved to be omnivores.

It's obvious Ken Berry is making money off of advocating the "carnivore diet" and is inherently not a trustworthy source of information.

It's obvious that no one is advocating for the nutrient poor, fortified foods (except agribusiness) that Ken Berry sets up as a straw man here.

There is actual, scientific documentation of what long-term ketosis does to the human body, because it's been a prescribed treatment for a number of medical conditions for many years. One such study found that among children being treated with a ketogenic diet for pediatric epilepsy there was a significantly higher rate of compromised bone health, stunted growth, hyperlipidemia, and kidney stones.

I'm not advocating a plant-based diet at all, I love meat, eggs, milk, etc. Also, the carnivore diet is crock of shit.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com -4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

One such study found that among children being treated with a ketogenic diet for pediatric epilepsy there was a significantly higher rate of compromised bone health, stunted growth, hyperlipidemia, and kidney stones.

I don't know the study your referring to, I'd like to read it if you recall the name.

There is a big difference between a epileptic diet and nutritional ketosis. Typically the epileptic is prioritizing ketone production over all else (to avoid seizures), but the longer people become fat adapted the lower serum ketones become (the body is just becoming more efficient and not over producing) - so the epileptic kids are usually on a 4:1 fat-protein ratio, which isn't a target people would be doing for nutritional ketosis, and certainly not on carnivore.

I bring this up because there is also ketogenic literature that bone health is improved, growth is improved, and lipids are great (except ldl, which is another fun discussion, but basically LDL isn't a bad thing, only if its damaged).

Kidney stones are new to me, most kidney stones are oxalate based, and on carnivore there is no consumption of oxalates, so thankfully that isn't a risk for this population.