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Pediatricians Say ‘Carnivore Babies’ Trend May Mean Kids Miss Important Nutrients
(plantbasednews.org)
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I thought we weren't doing food wars? I don't try to besmirch your dietary choices. I'm very careful to be respectful... If this is the standard of discourse you want to have, I have a literal mountain of publications.. but I don't think that would be very fun for you
Not all doctors agree with this plant based news perspective. May also means may not. It's a weasel word.
This heavily biased news outlet, says carnivore has been debunked, but then just asserts opinion. Where is the science?
The only two specific concerns they bring up are
Meet the Parents Raising ‘Carnivore Babies,’ Swapping Puréed Fruit for Rib-Eye - Wall Street Journal
Or if you prefer a video
Carnivore Diet for Children and Toddlers [Why the Controversy?] - MD Berry
video summary
Feeding your kids meat and eggs is healthy and nutritious at any age! This seems to upset people who don't know the facts and the truth.
Summary
Dr. Ken Berry passionately defends and explains the carnivore diet for babies, toddlers, children, teenagers, and adults, addressing recent media coverage and controversies surrounding the topic. He references a balanced Wall Street Journal article, an NBC News feature, and a contentious Fox News interview where he presented the carnivore diet as a natural, nutrient-dense way to feed children, emphasizing meat and eggs as essential foods for optimal growth and brain development. Dr. Berry highlights that meat provides critical nutrients such as B12, iron, zinc, and vitamin C (which many critics wrongly claim is absent from meat). He critiques mainstream pediatric advice promoting variety that includes grains and processed foods, pointing out the prevalence of glyphosate contamination in cereals and the poor nutritional value of such foods.
During the Fox News segment, Dr. Berry strongly rebuts the opposing expert, Dr. Mark Seagull, who claimed that meat is addictive, inflammatory, and lacks essential vitamins like vitamin C. Dr. Berry argues that Dr. Seagull, an internal medicine doctor who does not treat children, lacks understanding of pediatric nutrition and human evolutionary dietary evidence. He offers to engage in a respectful debate to clarify misconceptions.
Dr. Berry also shares personal anecdotes about raising his children carnivore-style, noting their exceptional growth and health. He stresses that the carnivore diet is not a fad but the original human diet dating back thousands of years, backed by anthropological evidence. He further educates viewers about the dangers of ultraprocessed foods, the epidemic of childhood type 2 diabetes linked to carb-heavy diets, and the superior nutrient density of animal-based foods compared to plant-based or grain-based diets.
The video concludes with Dr. Berry answering audience questions about keto, carnivore, skin conditions, blood pressure, and practical feeding tips for children. He invites parents and caregivers skeptical of mainstream nutrition advice to join a supportive community advocating a proper human diet centered on meat and eggs.
Highlights
Key Insights
🧬 Nutritional Completeness of Meat for Children: Dr. Berry emphasizes that meat and eggs provide all essential amino acids, healthy fats, vitamins (notably B12 and A), minerals like iron and zinc, and even vitamin C—nutrients critical for rapid growth phases in babies and toddlers. The small stomach capacity of infants makes nutrient density crucial, which cereals and processed vegetable purees lack. This insight challenges the common assumption that plant-based or grain-heavy diets are suitable for early childhood nutrition.
🧪 Scientific and Anthropological Evidence Supports Carnivore Feeding: Contrary to common pediatric recommendations, historical and anthropological data show that humans have traditionally fed babies meat and animal fats first. These practices were trial-and-error-tested over thousands of years, with animal fats believed to promote brain development. This positions the carnivore diet not as a new fad but as a return to evolutionary dietary norms.
🚫 Critique of Processed Foods and Cereal Marketing: Dr. Berry exposes the cereal aisle as a source of glyphosate contamination and nutrient-poor “poverty foods” that require fortification to provide minimal vitamins and minerals. He highlights the role of aggressive marketing in misleading parents about what constitutes healthy baby food, contributing to chronic disease epidemics.
🥊 Media Misrepresentation and Expert Disagreement: The video illustrates how media outlets present divergent views on carnivore diets for kids. While the Wall Street Journal and NBC provided relatively balanced coverage, Fox News featured a controversial rebuttal from Dr. Seagull, who inaccurately labeled meat as addictive and inflammatory. Dr. Berry points out the importance of credentials relevant to pediatric nutrition and calls for evidence-based discussions rather than repeating outdated or unsupported claims.
🧠 The Role of Fiber and Vitamin C Misconceptions: A common pediatric concern is that meat-based diets lack vitamin C and fiber, essential for health. Dr. Berry corrects this by explaining that fresh meat contains vitamin C and that phytonutrients and fiber are not essential nutrients. Thousands of carnivore dieters thrive on zero fiber diets, which challenges the dogma that fiber is indispensable.
🔄 Carnivore Diet as Part of a Dietary Spectrum: Dr. Berry clarifies that the carnivore diet is one end of the “proper human diet” spectrum, which ranges from low-carb to keto to carnivore. This flexibility allows for individualized nutrition strategies based on age, metabolic health, and activity levels, emphasizing that meat and eggs are foundational regardless of exact carb intake.
👶 Positive Outcomes in Children on Carnivore Diets: Personal evidence includes Dr. Berry’s children being in the 99th percentile for height with healthy weights, no metabolic disease, and excellent development. Additionally, many parents report resolution of skin conditions like eczema and acne on carnivore diets, demonstrating the therapeutic potential of animal-based nutrition in pediatric health.
Additional Context
Dr. Berry’s discussion also touches on the broader societal and cultural challenges of adopting carnivore diets for children, including overcoming family skepticism and marketing pressures. He encourages parents to seek community support and reliable information to confidently feed their children nutrient-dense animal foods rather than processed carbs marketed as “healthy.”
This video provides a comprehensive defense of carnivore diets for the entire human lifespan, especially infancy and childhood, supported by clinical experience, evolutionary biology, and critical evaluation of current nutrition dogma and media narratives.
proceeds to do food wars
It's obvious humans evolved to be omnivores.
It's obvious Ken Berry is making money off of advocating the "carnivore diet" and is inherently not a trustworthy source of information.
It's obvious that no one is advocating for the nutrient poor, fortified foods (except agribusiness) that Ken Berry sets up as a straw man here.
There is actual, scientific documentation of what long-term ketosis does to the human body, because it's been a prescribed treatment for a number of medical conditions for many years. One such study found that among children being treated with a ketogenic diet for pediatric epilepsy there was a significantly higher rate of compromised bone health, stunted growth, hyperlipidemia, and kidney stones.
I'm not advocating a plant-based diet at all, I love meat, eggs, milk, etc. Also, the carnivore diet is crock of shit.
I don't know the study your referring to, I'd like to read it if you recall the name.
There is a big difference between a epileptic diet and nutritional ketosis. Typically the epileptic is prioritizing ketone production over all else (to avoid seizures), but the longer people become fat adapted the lower serum ketones become (the body is just becoming more efficient and not over producing) - so the epileptic kids are usually on a 4:1 fat-protein ratio, which isn't a target people would be doing for nutritional ketosis, and certainly not on carnivore.
I bring this up because there is also ketogenic literature that bone health is improved, growth is improved, and lipids are great (except ldl, which is another fun discussion, but basically LDL isn't a bad thing, only if its damaged).
Kidney stones are new to me, most kidney stones are oxalate based, and on carnivore there is no consumption of oxalates, so thankfully that isn't a risk for this population.
A video from "Dr. Ken Berry - Carnivore Coach", who is also mentioned in the article as having defended "carnivore babies" on Fox News, surely provides the best unbiased opposing view!
Let's look at what he says instead of the research study with 80,000 participants which is cited in the article.
If you prefer a third party analysis, please read the original wsj article linked above.
The research study that wasn't about babies on a carnivore diet, are associational only and can't speak on causation, have weak hazard ratios, and is significantly confounded by carbohydrate consumption (so a totally different metabolic context then carnivore babies)? Or is there a interventional study in the article I missed?
Llm go brrrrr
If you would rather watch the video, please do! I only provided the summary for people who don't like to view videos on lemmy.
lol YouTube research
If you prefer to read.
Paywalled. Is this supposed to be better than your YouTube research?
Sorry, in the original comment above I had the direct link to the archive, forgot to repeat it in the last comment.
I wasted my time reading the opinion piece. It was worse than I expected:
The reason science is based on consensus is because anyone can be tempted to use their title as doctor or scientist or whatever to make money by lying and selling snake oil. For example, the “handful of doctors” mentioned above trying to make money from their YouTube channels.
If what they were saying was true the entire medical community would be saying it. Not just a handful of YouTube influencers.
We’ve seen this same scenario with vaccine deniers like your buddy RFK mentioned above.
As I said. The doctors that are doing their jobs as doctors and not as YouTube influencers or selling snake oil are concerned because they are basing their decision on peer reviewed research that has established a consensus with the whole science community world wide.
This part was good:
She finds YouTube videos about meat based diets for fertility.
She agrees that it is crazy based off her knowledge as a dietician.
She tries the diet and it didn’t work.
She feeds her adopted newborn based on the diet that didn’t work.
This shows the lack of critical thinking skills this person has. She even says, “If it makes sense for adults, why wouldn’t it make sense for kids?” oblivious to the fact that it didn’t work for her fertility issues like the YouTube videos said.
The diet didn’t even work for the baby…
Protein and iron are in plants also… and in this context “protein and iron in meat are easily used by the body” is a bad thing. Fiber is a macronutrient only available in plants and it’s primary role is to slow the movement of food in our digestive tracks by making it not easily used by the body.
This is why eating animal products causes type 2 diabetes and is the #1 cause of colon cancer. Animal cells break down too fast in our digestive track.
It then goes on to talk about the handful of doctors supporting these diets and of course they are also selling products to profit off of saying something other than the scientific community.
Thank you for reading the publication that this whole post has been about.
Doctors have far better ways to make money then by running youtube channels where they don't sell anything.
Change has to start somewhere.
Living 36 years in one metabolic mode and trying to reverse it in 1 year may have good results, but by her own admission she only went "mostly", her core dysfunction isn't disclosed.
Yeah, weird she is giving cheese to a baby.
Is that a good thing?
Carbohydrates are a necessary, but not sufficient, component of T2D. I haven't seen any documentation of a carnivore developing T2D. This makes mechanistic sense since there are no carbohydrates in a carnivore diet.
There have only been weak epidemiological associations demonstrated with processed meat and some types of colon cancer, how do you arrive at the #1 ranking?
There is considerable debate ongoing in the colon cancer arena - https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/red-meat#cancer
Carnivore Bars is just pemmican, and they are way too expensive for any reasonable person to buy anyway. As far as I'm aware they are not sold by a doctor of any description.
Oh shut up.
Let's try to not be aggressive here, we want to maintain a collaborative community that respects each other.
I don't respect this type of reconstituted garbage that rightwing influencers spew all over social media.
Ok, this was a published article in the WSJ, which isn't known for its right wing bias.
But let's remove the influencers and talk about the science, what do you find objectionable?