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[–] McMonster@programming.dev 254 points 1 day ago (5 children)
[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 155 points 1 day ago (6 children)

IT people hate computers.

IT people hate users. IT people hate other IT people. We're just a surly lot.

[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 36 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I've had the privilege of working with users with actual computer training. Old ladies who started working on terminals in the 70s and 80s. They were awesome, because they actually understood what they were doing. They could give me an accurate description of what they were doing when shit went wrong. They had real concerns and realistic requests for improvement. And they never blamed the computer when they encountered something they didn't understand. They're all dead or retired now.

Todays computer illiterate workforce is doomed to be incompetent because they don't understand how their main tool works. Nobody bothered to train them.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The complicated thing here is there are so many layers of abstraction to make things easier to use and understand that if you didn't age with the tech, it's really hard to fully understand. That's everything. I see Angular and React developers who don't understand CSS.

My last position, we had classes that set sizes for everything in multiples of 4 pixels. So size-1 is 4 pixels, size-2 is 8 pixels, etc. And everything was sized with those classes. Which means if you ever wanted to resize anything, you have to go to every element and change the class instead of you know, having input controls have distinct classes.

People are layering on abstraction without understanding why and throwing away all the benefits, time to invent another abstraction layer! I had my tech lead argue with me that this was a better system because "standards". I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards.

I got started learning transistors and Boolean algebra and programming an 8-bit cpu in college. Had computers for a few years before that. It's surprising how many conditionals I see that can be simplified by Boolean algebra.

I don't actually hate computers, and I try to give IT workers some grace because I'm not always proud of the work I do when I have to finish 3 months of work in two weeks. But I've worked with a lot of folks who aren't curious or looking to learn and improve, and I have to wonder why they ever got into IT in the first place.

For me the worst part of IT is the god damned management. Any possible productivity gains from agile are undercut at every turn by management who has to have a concrete promise of a delivery date before they even define the ask.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Started my long weekend early and starting a new job next week, so I have a lot of pent up rants from my last company.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

We're all standing on the shoulders of giants, but there are so many layers of giants that it's hard to see the ground.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards.

Ahahahahahahaha! Oh man, you got a good laugh out of me this morning 🤣

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, there's idiots and there's idiots, you know? Yeah those classes should never have existed and maybe that's evidence enough of idiocy, but there is an abundance of folks smarter than me. Surely they could hire one of them...

[–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 2 points 19 hours ago

nepo. babies. (i put my commwnt in the wrong spot)

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 points 22 hours ago

Todays computer illiterate workforce is doomed to be incompetent because they don't understand how their main tool works. Nobody bothered to train them.

There also so many things restricting the usage of the tool. Every week my scanner tells me it has a new software update and I cannot install a simple update without admin access, so I have to call help desk and have them remote into my computer so they can click the "ok" botton.

Everything is so walled off there's no reason to learn how any of it works because you have no access. When the security bios update (forget what it was called) fucked everyone's computers last year I found a fix online and could have easily went to several locations and got them up and running, but no one on site has the access to boot into safe mode and instead we all just sat on hold with help desk for 2 days waiting for IT to do the thing I already knew how to do.

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago

Thing is, back in those days computers were deterministic.

A certain action caused a certain reaction, and always the same reaction (given the same context).

Anyone could learn that, as long as they bothered to read the screen (a surprisingly rare talent, to be fair).

Now, at least on windows, it's anyone's guess what random mayhem a certain action might cause, or where the interface to perform that action has gone after the last update, supposing it still exists and the system survived the update.

No one can learn that. And anyone foolish enough to try will certainly be driven insane.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems to run on some form of electricity.

[–] thessnake03@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You just made an enemy for life!

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago

You IT people sure are a contentious bunch.

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago

SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH!

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

true, but we also hate computers

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We hate ones setup by other people or used by other users. Our own network is a glorious shrine to the one true faith.

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago

My laptop windows 11? No problem. Anyone elses windows? Fucking burn it.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can't argue with that... until something goes wrong and I hate it (really just mad at myself)

[–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

“Dammit, what idiot set this up this way?”

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 21 hours ago
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

IT people hate people then? Checks out to me actually

[–] CyberTaco@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Correction: IT people hate printers.

[–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Fuck printers

Nom one invented a good printer still

[–] Kramkar@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I have read this ten times now, and I still can't figure out what it is supposed to mean..

[–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Printers are known in IT to be a utter pain in the ass. Most brands are also using a lot of proprietary stuff and it limits interoperability. Drivers for example.

Well known example is about ink cartridges. HP added identification chips on them, so if you want to use an other brand, not HP, to fill your printer, you can't because if no chip is detected despite a cartridge being inserted, the machine will tell you it is not genuine.

Another example with Rycoh. I don't know if their printers still use this method, so take it as an example of capitalist greed more than a current situation. Laser printers are using a sealed container to process waste created during printing. Rycoh had placed a led detector inside to know when it was full and trigger an alert, stopping the machine and request for a change. Good idea in theory but in practice the detector was placed very oddly or on purpose near or in front of dust intake. So it was bathed very quickly in electrostatic dust and thus triggered the alarm very quickly, even if your container was not fully filled. The only way to solve this was to shake your waste storage, hoping it would clean the led enough to keep going for a few days or change it.

Lastly, I have a Brother printer, bought to a neighbor sale. The oven inside, which is in charge of heating the ink, had a failure. It had melted. For the price, it was a deal. I only needed to buy a new part, unplug it, replace and I had a laser printer with colours. Well, Brother had lightly soldered pins linking the connector to PCB. When I unplugged it, soldering came with it. I contacted a repair store near me telling me they don't do it and I should ask for a repair to a certified Brother technician. Which is overpriced. I also can't open it fully as it is placed to be impossible to repair without disassembling half of the machine.

No printer is the same, some brands are better than others. Some are well accepted on Linux with CUPS, some other not. But so far, not one brand impressed me well enough by their design to keep it open, easily fixable and long lasting.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 9 points 21 hours ago

Correction: printers hate people.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 20 hours ago

As a non-IT person, fuck HP in particular.

[–] qqq@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

PC load letter? What the fuck does that mean?

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

I'm an IT person and I like computers, as long as they've never been turned on and they stay that way.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

IT people hate other people using a computer

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago

I once had to watch a co-worker scroll to the bottom of a list using the little arrow buttons on the end of the scrollbar. Clicking, not holding.

That's what my hell would be like. Doing IT support without being able to wrench the mouse out of their hands.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I hate my computer as well. That's why I have to modify it to something completely different before I am able to use it for basic text editing.

I AM TALKING TO YOU EMACS PUT YOUR BACKUPS SOMEWHERE ELSE BY DEFAULT ALREADY I USE GIT