such a funny time for this discourse again ☕
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As a Canadian I’ve always found that even left Americans defend gun rights, it’s weird. But I guess if you’re born and raised in that culture it’s just normal to have such easy access to guns
Leftists have guns. Liberals don't. Leftists realize that force has to be countered by force. Liberals don't want to contribute to the problem of too many guns and don't want to buy from the gun manufacturers. Leftists have arsenals.
if I lived almost anywhere else I wouldn't. NZ voted away their rights recently and I respect that. Japan probably should have thought it through a little more. but America is insano-country. legal corruption, the wealthy using indirect forms of violence, direct violence from the police. it's the kind of conditions that require communities to build ways of defending themselves. also the people in power want us unarmed for different reasons than you want to be unarmed.
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated, by force if necessary
See? To the rest of us that’s weird. And we’re more free than you guys. But again that’s the tea you were steeped in so it’s not weird to you
Listen wise guy, that's a quote from marx, not an American culture type of thing.
So? It applies to American culture. Otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it.
It does however not apply to any civilized countries.
Don't be dense, you mentioned american culture first, i was obviously replying to that.
And the quote applies to anywhere the working class is in actual conflict or protest, the fact that the situation is worse in the united states specifically is because the democrats (and largely liberals) keep to useless bullheaded "civility politics".
Who is "the rest of us"?
Not Americans.
Non-Americans like me?
I think it's Pandora's box, once opened it can't be closed.
I understand there have been instances where it's been closed in other countries, but I just can't see that vision working in the US society.
The divine rights of kings was also thought to be impossible to disappear, yet here we are.
If it were swords, we wouldn't want to the only people without swords in a place bristling with swords.
Weapons are force-multipliers and we have too many people willing to use force, including our own fucking government, which was the idea to begin with; don't have a government that can do whatever because they have all the force.
In fact, you can even demand a kingdom without swords while carrying a sword. They do not cancel each other out.
The problem is there are more guns than there are people. You can't close Pandora's box, or ignore the fact your stupid, drunk, Trump-worshiping neighbor takes his guns for walks around your neighborhood. The concept of being anti-gun here is asinine.
Not everyone needs one, but ignoring the fact many should have them is ignoring reality. When the school bully is an old, racist, angry dude with an armory, you either learn to meet them where they are, or risk the lives of you and your family.
I think a lot of us confuse the tool capacity (hunting, self-defense) with actual "safety" and the powers that be in the government let the gun rights argument continue so that people keep wasting money on arms and ammunition, and the businesses lobbying those in charge get to keep selling generally unregulated or underegulated.
It’s a weird mindfuck all around cause I’m Canadian and don’t need a gun, but if I moved to the US I’d get one, to protect me from crazy Americans with guns. Keeping the cycle going.