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They're right. Russia is not my enemy. The Russian mafia regime is. Putler is. The oligarchs are. Once their idiotic dictatorship is switched for a stable democratic rule of law, paying reparations to Ukraine and Georgia and then some, Russia will be a candidate for EU membership and eligible to be our friend.
The people are so brainwashed they need a couple of generations before anything can change IMO.
Russian mafia regime is Russia. Both its genocidal conquest policies and the tradition of subservience to a central authority predate the word “россия” and are consistent across governments and states.
The idea that wars of conquest and genocide Russia throws itself in since before we formulated the definition of a word „genocide” are somehow not about Russia would be the winner of every mental gymnastics competition for years to come.
This comment is just bigotry. Russia the country, the Russian people, the Russian history are no better or worse than, say, France or Germany or Britain. Any major European colonial power has a genocidal past. Any major European colonial power has a history of tension between tyranny and liberty.
There is nothing that is irredeemable about Russia, at least not any more than France, Britain, Germany, etc. The conflation of Russia with Putin's regime is precisely the Putinist Big Lie. In Putin's mind, the survival of his regime is THE SAME AS the survival of Russia. Don't buy the Big Lie. A free, democratic Russia is possible. And that is precisely Putin's worst nightmare.
When UK refuses to return the riches they stole, we just say it like that.
When Belgia refuse to acknowledge genocide in Congo, we just say it.
When we talk about France losing colonial wars in Vietnam and Algeria, we say it.
When Israel starves an entire population in openly advertised genocide, we say it.
When we talk about Japanese massacres in China, we just say it.
When we talk about Chinese genocide of Uighurs, we just say it.
When Canada systematically oppresses indigenous population, we just say it.
But when Russia commits genocide and openly promises hellfire on the heads of those who would resist, don’t we dare say it!
This is pure mental gymnastics.
The fact that you straight ignored the core of my argument doesn’t add it any credibility either.
I didn't give Russia a free pass. I said it deserves the exact same scrutiny as other big European colonial powers. And it is by those standards that their aggression is Ukraine, but also in Georgia, in Moldova, etc is despicable and condemnable.
But if I understanding correctly, the core of your argument is that the whole concept of "Russia" is inextricably connected to barbaric genocidal wars of expansion, that Putinism is essentially Russian and inextricable/inseparable from it. And I have a problem with that, because that's a condemnation of Russian-ness as such. Am I misreading your core argument?
No, my argument is that Russia’s and Russians’ actions are consistent across multiple statehoods and governments, making any attempt at redeeming them by shifting blame to a specific government an example of mental gymnastics.
Only actual attempts at taking responsibility for what Russia has been doing should count. And frankly, those Russians that do take responsibility—many of whom already got disappeared—will get erased from history and from possible future definition of „Russia” if Russia is not taken seriously to be your enemy here and now.
Yea, that's bullshit. You're imagining a collective will that acts across time. Sid Meier's Civilization turned into real world politics.
Look buddy, this thing you're doing, I've seen it before. I'm from Greece, the Balkans. The way you talk about Russians is the way we talk about the Turks, it's the way the Serbs talk about the Croats, it's the way each petty Balkan nationalist essentializes the Otherness of every other petty Balkan nationalist. The eternal enemy over there. I've seen it before, I know what it smells like, I know what it does. Not interested.
Would you say the same thing about the Mongols? Just because their people might be nice as a single person, their culture and self definition are linked to a sense of superiority and the will to expand and subdue. The same goes for Russia. There will be no free democratic Russia without sweeping and painful changes.
The country will have to be broken up in smaller parts, there would habe to be a cleaning similar to the denazification of Germany after WW2. Probably a prolonged time where outside forces hold control and influence the direction the country is taking.
Left to itself it will just breed the next Putin
Big difference between European history and current Ruzz reality.
Their culture has never learned any Human Rights lesson, which is exactly the problem. For centuries their Gvment have been one or another form of Tsarism (autocracy) basically. There might have been a couple of years of reprieve, before Putin went fullmetal.
So though I believe a "Russian & Belarusian Spring" is definitely possible, the country needs to go full Fascist deprogramming first. #syntax
russia is my enemy. Russia isn't. The country get to have a capital letter, the regime does not.
Not sure how common this way of distinguishing between the two is, but it's something I picked up from a Russian coworker of mine. He hates Putin as much as most decent humans do. He even lost a family member in the Kursk accident because of the regime.
Unfortunately that is not the case anymore. Propaganda works, repression works. Putin has the overwhelming support of Russian people and they share his views, not only about the role of Russia in the world, but also about killing Ukrainians.
People are idiots and will do as they are propaganded. They can be propaganded in the other direction as well.
It would be hard to undue decades of indoctrination
It is. Look at east germany. Yes they were wronged and betrailed by the democratic world when they got taken over, but their indoctrination also had its part
I can look at it. Its still different than the west after all this time.
Don't think that will ever happen. At least while they still have large population and local production. Same with Turkiye.
Türkiye is a candidate. The process is frozen though because of their idiotic president.
But the EU should reform itself a bit before admitting new members, especially such large ones.
I bet it will be a candidate forever. I think the reasons are economical, politics just helps to stall it.
That's a mistake as well. Turkey still occupies half of cypruss which is part of EU. I wouldn't want an occupier of the EU to become part of it.
Not occupying Cyprus is a precondition to joining
Well, majority of the western world that EU is part of is still bowing down to the occupier (and now genocider) that is Israel. So clearly there's room.
And the UK still occupies half of Ireland...
Not according to international law. Ireland recognised the current state of things.
Is the UK back in the EU already?
Cyprus will never, ever let Turkey ascend to the EU while they continue to illegally occupy 1/3 of Cyprus.
Ascension votes must be unanimous. I don't know why anyone at any time thought Turkey might join the EU.
My god, disappointing to hear this sentiment from, I presume, the western people still in the year '25. Unless you're a kremlin bot. If so, carry on.
If I categorised people as enemies because a significant portion of them have been fooled by propaganda then the whole world would be my enemy. That would not be reasonable.
Where exactly do you draw the line? Until very recently the whole state had access to outside info. My own country is infested with russians that have had freely available information for decades, yet so many bow down to their czar.
But sure, they're all good people wishing the best for me and ukrainians and all the other peoples russian empire has steamrolled over.
Same goes for any other groups of idiots like flat earthers, corona conspiratards... they all have access to the truth and yet
I appreciate your positive approach, though a couple of these assumptions need closer examination imo:
not the" whole world" is fooled by propaganda, though many are.
you presume "they" are not your enemy, but you could be wrong. Specifically, history and recent events paint examples of how appeasement and naivety causes a situation to become worse.
what is "reasonable" depends on your life expectency and perceived threat to your mental, psychological and physical integrity.
It's not always beneficial to project your assessment of your life and situation to others, when your goal is to understand them or make a critical analysis. I mean, everybody has different situations and realities.
For me both are my enemy though against the active participents leathal force and any means are okay. Against the fooled and innocent no such thing. Force can not be crippling or lethal