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Honestly, I'm kind of surprised they didn't call it communism or even stalinism. I don't think most of them ever grew out of McCarthyism.
Having said that, isn't state capitalism a form of socialism? It seems like if the U.S. government owned 100% of American companies, that would be entirely socialist. Is state capitalism a sliding scale between laissez-faire capitalism and full-on socialism?
I'm not trying to debate here. I'm trying sincerely to understand by definining terms.
State capitalism is where the state has taken the place of the capitalist; the extraction of surplus value is still intact, meaning it cannot be regarded as socialism.
Good to know. Thanks. If I understand correctly, that means no country to date has achieved socialism, but not for lack of trying in some cases.
Impossible when 'stateless' is one of the main features of socialism. There have been "regions" and groups that have achieved it - usually briefly as they are founded in times of hardship and revolution. Some examples I can think of: Makhno's Free Territory, Paris commune, and the collectives during Spain's civil war are some historical examples. The Zapatistas and Rojava are some contemporary ones.
Some would certainly say it is. I guess that's a key difference between social democracy and democratic socialism. And the definition differs a lot within countries and even parties. There is no absolute definition of socialism and will never be.
https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funktionssocialism