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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 224 points 2 days ago (6 children)

This is MS we're talking about. Preview and Viewer are probably made by two different teams in different countries, sharing no code, and prohibited from communicating with each other, even if they know about the other's existence.

And famously they fired all QAs years ago so there's nobody to test before releasing.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

And famously they fired all QAs years ago so there's nobody to test before releasing.

It all makes sense now.

There's no QA to bonk people on the head.

Who the fuck's idea was Outlook (New)? Like half the features don't exist. And some of the actually useful new features simply don't work (looking at you," pop-out" reading pane view option. Where's my popped out reading pane Microsoft??? Did ya forget to test it? Turns out, yes)

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 100 points 2 days ago

One leveraging the graphics engine from internet explorer the other using the graphics engine from ms paint 1.0

[–] BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works 73 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I work in big tech and this is my life. I envy anyone who thinks you're exaggerating, because that means they haven't experienced the joy of spending weeks trying to track down the team responsible for a bug and then months hassling them to fix it.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And if they do talk to each other, the different departments need to go through the whole hierarchy for everything and each manager puts their spin on it, so you get answers back from questions that were not asked.

[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here's a real and true story about how separate Microsoft teams communicate and coordinate:

Few weeks ago, some Microsoft team from the US deprecated some critical service used by other Microsoft products. They just shut it off without notifying anyone. Other teams from other Microsoft offices in the rest of the world found about this deprecation when their production builds started failing to log customers in to the applications that they need for their businesses. People were called in from their vacations, emergency meetings were held to play hot potato with responsibility. Clients were PISSED. I stopped following the drama before it was resolved.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What is actually the best way to set up good communication between people and departments? Daily stand-ups tend to become hour long meetings. Make it an e-mail means people don't read it half the time, some even having a rule to automatically shred that kind of mails. Set up talks between people and have a bunch of them not showing up but then get angry nobody asked them for their opinion.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For example a matrix org structure can do wonders.

Really, anything other than vertical hierarchical setup favored by so many tech companies.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Oh, man.

I just stopped being hassled to fix a bug on somebody else's system (that mine interops with), by the same developers responsible for maintaining that other system, because the problem got bad enough to escalate until somebody responsible for both sides looked.

That said, I was just ignoring them. But hell...

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait does this mean I work in little tech?

[–] BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Little tech? Like, a micro company that makes software? A "micro-soft", if you will.

[–] ogeist@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

No no, it needs to be more present, more ubiquitous, more "ubi-soft"

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The image viewer is probably just Edge in a trenchcoat by now.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think way more of windows 11 is just edge in a trenchcoat than anyone wants to admit...

Can't get away from it at work and i hate it. All we need computers for at work is web access and file sharing, but they still won't budge from daddy Microsoft.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't mind if all those Electron apps could use it to save space, but no. Everything still comes with 600MB of Chromium bolted to it like a tumour.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

I imagine the two teams sharing the same desk through a hole in the wall like in Brazil.

[–] sga@lemmings.world 12 points 1 day ago

I can almost guarantee that they would be using different things. usually you have simpler libraries to decode formats (almost 1 for each codec), and separate programs plug these libraries in to generate the output. previews do not have to be accurate and have to be fast, so a simpler program with just linear scaling or something, where as actual image would be complex which has to worry about accuracy.

still not a excuse to not have support for a free 15 year old format