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I don't have many nice things to say about Newsom but let's not dilute the word fascist into a generic insult eh?
He made being unhoused illegal.
While I like him mocking trump I still don't like him.
Yeah.... im gonna need a source on that claim, please.
Because this link here says stuff about increasing shelters and making it easier to build tiny homes in CA.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/08/27/governor-newsom-signs-new-laws-to-help-communities-further-address-homelessness/#%3A%7E%3Atext=%E2%9C%85+ADDITIONAL+SHELTER%3A+AB+2835%2Cliving+spaces+throughout+the+state.
https://apnews.com/article/california-newsom-homeless-los-angeles-san-francisco-5b2b3aca9ca56efb444a717d278c1fd9
So he didn't make it illegal. He is just cleaning encampments.
There is a very large difference between the two.
Do you know what cleaning an encampment means? They are not sweeping up and and making it look nice.
Everyone is kicked out. Any belongings they are unable to carry out get tossed.
Oh no, that's where you are wrong.
They are indeed sweeping it up and making it look nice, in contrast to the piles of garbage and broken tents.
Basically made it illegal to own anything or have any sort of living space when you're homeless, and didn't create more shelters.
Look my dude i can probably do this all day.
Just tell me youre trapped in your tiny internet bubble and call it a day.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/01/18/homekey-hits-milestone-15000-homes-created-since-program-began/
So all the homeless people in those encampments were given homes?
Do you not know how homeless shelters work?
Okay they didn't cool
Ya. Honestly, I'm getting pretty close to being done with Lemmy at this point. The way to fight extremism is not with different extremism. Between the hyper purity test Leftists, and the AI=evil absolutists, it feels like there's never any room for constructive discussion anymore. If I even ask a clarifying question about someone's views, even one that I could potentially be swayed towards, the response always comes back as some variation of "You're one of them aren't you!"
I like Tildes for more nuanced conversations. It has the reply box all the way at the bottom of threads, which is a subtle discouragement of replying before reading the existing comments. It's also just smaller and slower paced. It's not immune to pile-on bubble-views, but it's significantly toned down.
There is no such thing as "leftist extremism" especially in the united states. It's also not "purity testing" to want to not kill homeless and trans people.
Show us where and how that's happening in CA then.
Or yes Newsom's widespread destruction of homeless camps surely has no consequences on that community and his support of transphobic rhetoric surely doesn't contribute to massive trans suicide and murder rates how could I think otherwise? /S
So what youre saying is you can't provide evidence and are only relying on your feelings?
Crazy.
No here's evidence
https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/02/homeless-mortality-report/
https://sfstandard.com/2024/03/03/homeless-people-dying/
https://homelessstrategy.com/dying-while-homeless-is-a-burgeoning-crisis-in-california-that-necessitates-systemic-changes/amp/
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11244576/
I could post thousands about high rates of homeless deaths in California are and how Newsom's policies make that worse and how high trans suicide rates are and how that is cause largely by transphobia and how newsom contributes to that.
Thank you for doing this legwork for me. I was too hung over this morning to deal with liberal fascist enabling stupidity myself.
The first two links are different outlets reporting on the exact same study, which talks about a nationwide increase in death rates, not just California, and both have this quote from the study author early in the article:
The third link is entirely about efforts to have better reporting, in order to figure out what policies might help. It has no policy recommendations or criticisms of current policy.
The fourth and fifth links are about suicide rates among transgender people nationally, not specific to California.
I am not tracking how any of these reflect on specific policies advocated for by Newsom.
Its too bad most of the studies provided happened before Newsom was elected
You proved his point, arguing against his point.
That's some real lack of self awareness.
What point of his did I "prove"?
That your vapid contrarianism in willful ignorance of the commenter's thesis is yet another example of the self-righteous, performative and banal virtue signalling infecting communications in this age at every level, in every medium, from every side.
It's feeding the philosophical and metaphysical simulacra created by techno-feudalists that provide the foundation to rule with impunity.
If "perfect is the enemy of good", the billionaires want the slaves performing purity tests of all varieties to distract from a common goal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulverism
I mean, there are non-fascist neoliberals out there, but this shit is just fascism. If it can happen to the homeless, it can happen to anyone.
That's just liberal bullshit, not fascism.
There are plenty of NIMBY democrats as evidence by all the Dems who are treating Newsom as the second coming of Christ and the presumptive 2028 nominee, despite his disgusting practices Vis-à-vis the homeless.
Fascism is a Far Right, Authortarian, and Ultranationalist ideology that combines a militaristic autocracy, forcible suppression of dissent, and a racist social order. By using the term as if it means 'things we hate', then it waters down the actual definition and gives MAGAts who constantly try to turn the word around on us ammunition.
Call it gross, call it late stage capitalism, call it vile, disgusting, cruel, short sighted. Call it sweeping the problem under the rug, call out liberals for supporting it. All of those things are true. It's not fascism though.
I’m not diluting the word, I’m using the classical definition of it.
What do you think the classical definition is?
Newsom isn't great but he's leagues ahead of the small fingered vulgarian. I'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. He's going to get my vote if he runs.
“He’s not perfect” is such a weird way to describe someone whose policies are literally killing people just in his home state. Where and when are we going to draw the line on this shit?
What? Do something else so that a petty despot like the small fingered vulgarian can win again? Seriously.
Remember when Biden got in and it stopped fascism?
Unless someone better takes the place first. If newsom's all we get then that's what I'll vote for because of how our voting system works, but I have faith that a good quality primary will bring a better candidate to the limelight
Spoiler alert: it will not.
Let me have my positivity while it doesn't count.
Are you a liberal?
If not, why wouldn't you throw your support behind a leftist or progressive candidate at least until the primaries are over? I am 100% for not letting perfect be the enemy of the good, but I am also against letting mediocrity be the enemy of the good.
Because the next step is more important that the perfect step. Sander's and people like him can't win right now. I want to support progress and sometimes that means smaller steps.
So, If I am understanding your correctly, you think that if the left rallies behind a progressive/leftists candidate that they might be able to win the primary- but not the general election?
If that is not what you are saying then I don't understand your reply.
I'm not trying to flame you, I am seriously interested in your point of view.