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I don't hate the idea of buying a house in hard metals with witnesses, instead of wasting money on a lawyer. But surely this person isn't so dumb as to think the price wouldn't be set by the seller, rather than legal nonsense.
Ah, so this is your first encounter with sovcits?
Sadly no, but my first encounter with one who's this far down the rabbit hole. Usually it's just creative tax dodges and exploitation of every loophole that I run into - stuff like creating a 501 nonprofit corporation to buy a thing, voting yourself off the board, and declaring bankruptcy (I forget which chapter at the moment), so that basically the creditors get told (legally) to go jump in a lake.
It's madness, but it's plausible. And it has worked at least once. That's the level I usually see them at.
That has less of a sovcit texture and more of a sane, but dishonest and scummy person trying to get something for nothing.
Sovereign Citizens are a special genus where beliefs tend to among other things fixate on a separation of a paper and "real" person, common citation of common law, common incorrect citation of Federal law in state matters, and fixation on treating all legal interactions as if they were contractual exchanges.
I don't think I've ever seen anything that's normally considered sovcit nonsense win in a court. Very occasionally the sovcit wins in spite of themselves, but the actual arguments didn't help.
Well, in a certain sideways sense, every legal interaction kinda is a matter of contract. The problem is that you don't get the right to choose whether you're a signatory or not, and the other party has the right to amend or update the contract at any time they choose. The problem is, unless you're a signatory to at least one of those contracts (by birth or by immigration), you have no rights at all. Once you're in, you really can't get out safely.
Basically your birth certificate is the checkbox on the EULA of lawdul society. Good Lord, I hate that I just thought of it that way, but it works so well as an analogy.
Show up to their house with silver and some witnesses. Your house now.
I think that varies on the amount of silver.
i find the shape of the silver is more important. bullet-shapes tend to be most convincing, even if you only have one.
Of course, kemosabe.
Dunno truck full of coins is my preferred form of tender. It just sucks to count.
You bring me a big enough truck full of coins, we might have a conversation going.
Legal nonsense is exactly what they believe in, that's why they say "conveyance" instead of "car".
It does read like they think they can invoke some sort of ancient law that says if they can obtain a copy of the title deed (by fair means or foul), find ten silver coins, and get four friends to show up, they can just kick someone out of their own home and they own it now.
If that reading is correct, then I don't know what's worse, that they're dumb enough to believe it, or that they're a horrible enough person that they'd actually go ahead and do that to someone.
It's a ritual spell, it takes five casters, and it consumes the silver thnickels. Most wizards get it at level 8, but if you take ritual casting or specialize in houseromancy you can get it as early as level 4.
I think they might be stupid enough to believe that the value of the house is less silver than was given to sell out a certain heretical carpenter. And that's the kindest reading I can give it.