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[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 78 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Remove tinfoil before opening mouth.

This is much simpler: Bolton opposed Trump, therefore he is an enemy of Trump, therefore an enemy of the state, therefore a legitimate target for harassment through law enforcement. Same way if in Russia someone opposes Putin he will have goons come after him. It all discourages any kind of opposition, because most opponents will go away if you just trash their house or beat them up a bit.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

Exactly. This was sending a message, not to Democrats, but to Traditional Republicans who might be considering opposing the MAGA takeover. There is no Republican Party, it's the MAGA PARTY now, so get on board, or else!

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 22 points 22 hours ago

It's right out of the autocracy handbook. The orange is intimidating and soon getting rid of his opposition one raid at a time. And every raid sends a clear message to his enemies and allies: "Do not oppose the Czar."

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

You think as much as trump is freaking out about Epstein...

That he's just going after random people who aren't actively causing him problems?

He's simple minded, and there's a lot of pressure to release more info. If he releases something, and says it's everything, anyone that might have retained information from prior to Joe Biden's presidency is a threat.

Bolton could have literal.proof about what the government had prior to Biden, saying that's the likely motivation isn't "tinfoil" it's Occam's razor.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
  1. What makes you think John Bolton would have anything Epstein-related?
  2. What about the many, many other individuals Trump has targeted with the DoJ and other branches of government? Do they all have an Epstein-related "insurance policy" as well?
  3. What makes you think Trump is "freaking out" about Epstein? He has said several things disapproving of the intense interest in Epstein, but that's not enough to make me think that any time he abuses the government to target his opponents it must be because of that.

This is like all conspiracy theories: you've got a pet idea that would be exciting if it were true and so you're minded to ignore any alternative explanations for the facts.

If he releases something, and says it’s everything, anyone that might have retained information from prior to Joe Biden’s presidency is a threat.

What's to prevent him from saying they've fabricated it?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Because ever since Kissinger the national security advisor has been the conduit between the president and intelligence agencies. And Bolton was in that position when the FBI opened the safe at Epstein's place. The one filled with video and electronic files that somehow "disappeared".

  2. If I said a rectangle was a square, would you say that's only possible if every rectangle was a square?

  3. Reality...

Now, one question for you:

  1. What about America in 2025 makes you write off every conspiracy as fake? You know there are real life co spiracies every fucking day? Are you expecting people to just give trump the benefit of the fucking doubt that he wouldn't pull a conspiracy? It hasn't even been five years since he fucking cnspired to overthrow the USA government resulting in a real life insurrection. But this is too out of pocket for you? You can't imagine Trump's administration would do that?

Come the fuck on...

If you don't understand still, nothing else I ever say will help you. Best of luck.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Because ever since Kissinger the national security advisor has been the conduit between the president and intelligence agencies. And Bolton was in that position when the FBI opened the safe at Epstein’s place.

The "conduit"? Correct me if I'm wrong but the National Security Advisor isn't out kicking in doors when the FBI go on raids. The FBI is not an intelligence agency (it has an intelligence branch) and being the "conduit" doesn't mean he has the ability, inclination, foresight or skullduggery to gather such "insurance policies."

If I said a rectangle was a square, would you say that’s only possible if every rectangle was a square?

If you said that on a specific day the sun rose because you had prayed really hard for it to pray the previous day, I would be asking you what about all the other days when it rose without your apparent intervention.

Reality…

Not good enough.

What about America in 2025 makes you write off every conspiracy as fake?

I'm calling out your conspiracy theory thinking. Target John Bolton with an FBI investigation is a conspiracy, is a fascist abuse of power and is not, in any way, giving Trump "the benefit of the doubt." But it's not conspiracy theory thinking, because there's no super secret bullshit that only a select few are smart enough to work out - it's the regular kind of secret stuff that we can infer based on facts and evidence.

To believe your story I have to believe that there's a high chance John Bolton has "the Epstein list" and has kept it as insurance. You have given me no reason to believe this except that Bolton was head of - not the FBI, not the DoJ, but the National Security Council. So what? On the basis of such weak evidence you'd be saying that thousands of government officials have Epstein related "insurance".

You're not, though, because you're not actually basing this on any thought process which takes evidence into account.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Bro. What do you gain when you investigate? Intelligence, you're being obtuse.