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Are there any issues where conservatives are correct? I mean, like even if it means they agree with progressives.
I was thinking both are against murder, but conservatives seem to support the genocide in Palestine. They seem excited about the idea of a civil war.
I was thinking both reject the rape of children, but conservatives lately seem to have been warming up to that.
I think the reason it's hard to find a good answer is that their opinions aren't based on anything logical, just whatever they're told to believe at the moment. A person with no truly held convictions cannot be right about anything.
Flawed premise and why we're in this shit-mire. We keep thinking that we can appeal to the minds to relate with or connect with or change the policies of a third of our population when they're not using their minds to begin with.
They are the segment of the population not concerned with policy and values and principles, It may seem backwards to say they don't have values when they have such violent ideology, but their entire motivation for the things they defend violently is entirely emotional.
If their feelings change, so do their stances. If you can tell a better story that engages them and makes them feel feelings, their brains will latch onto that new narrative and they will either abandon the old one or encorporate it even if it contradicts... because again, concepts like contradiction and inconsistency are products of logic and reason, and we're talking about a side based in emotion and impulses. For example, when a conservative suddenly has a family crisis and needs assistance, they become entirely for public support systems and socialism. When they need an abortion, suddenly they're pro-choice. When one of their kids is harmed by a shooter, they want gun controls. They can hold these changes in belief WHILE also remaining anti-socialism, pro-gun and pro-life. We have a very hard time understanding this if we are people who read and write and think with language.
Trump and his ilk tap this easily by saying short, pithy and powerful statements to help emotional minds validate their own feelings. You sad and overworked? it's the migrants! Worried about your kids education? TRANS PEOPLE IN THE BATHROOM.
It doesn't have to logically make sense, our brains don't work like that by default, they just need a story to explain the feelings.
Those who do not think for themselves cannot conceive that they can be wrong. They always accept whatever they are told by their political party without question, even if it contradicts what they were told previously and will promptly discard previous stance without question. If Trump was a Democrat, the Democrats would rally around him and the Democrats' minions would worship the ground he walks on, even as he deports illegal immigrants. There would be a small handful that rail against him, but the bulk would genuflect mindlessly, just like they did with Obama when he was declared "deporter in chief"
" If you can tell a better story that engages them and makes them feel feelings, their brains will latch onto that new narrative and they will either abandon the old one or encorporate it even if it contradicts"
Partially correct. The mindless will change their minds, but only when their political gods tell them to. If the better story comes from anyone else, they reject it without a second thought. This applies to both parties.
The irony is watching Democrats/left wingers on here declaring themselves the arbiters of truth and morality and howling about Trump being a pedo when Biden was openly touching and sniffing little girls on national TV with the same Democrats desperately trying to explain it away as being "fatherly". Then when the Ashley Biden diary was confirmed to be real, the Democrats rejected reality because it would mean that they were wrong about Biden.
I was with you until you started going insane at the end.
Dagwood has some bass-ackwards political takes
I blocked him, I don't think any of us should be wasting our time and energy on people who get so high off their own farts that they decide to move in there and stay in their own ass forever.
Yeah, I'll be blocking them in short order.
It's not insane. It's the truth. Why do you think the FBI, who does not pursue lost or stolen personal possession cases, went after the Ashley Biden diary?
The Biden Administration knew it would be bad news if the contents of that diary were made public. Some of it was and even SNOPES had to admit that it was real and the contents that were released were confirmed.
And why else would Ashley write that she had to wait until late at night to shower because of her father? Those who worship the Democratic Party ignored the obvious, that he was a pedo and he has dementia.
Call it insane if you want, I call it reality.
The shower thing was her recollection of a dream. Maybe read the shit you claim to know so much about, you’ll either spread less disinformation or at least be better at it.
I care a lot more about material outcomes the current administration's attempts to like... destroy motherfucking democracy, than conspiracy stories about a diary, and I care more about power structures that support things like sex-trafficking islands for billionaires than one family's attempts to keep their private shit under wraps.
It is insane, I read the whole thing and stand by it, it's more useless hype and distraction-for-clicks that's preventing national mobilization and unity against a force that will someday take away even your ability to read these emotion-validating stories on the internet that make you feel better about yourself for whatever reason.
Define "destroy democracy".
It's a meaningless buzz phrase the Democrats bandy about to stir up hysteria and prevent people from thinking critically. It wasn't Trump who tried to weaponize the government to force a political candidate from running and tried to keep said candidate tied up in court so they couldn't campaign.
People capable of critical thinking burned out on the hysteria between 2016 and 2021. This is why Trump got reelected in 2020. The Democrat hysteria didn't work and the Democrats actively trying to weaponize the government to stop Trump was so blatantly obvious that it turned a huge number of people against them.
Also, you're doing precisely what I described. Denying reality in service of your political party. You call it a "conspiracy theory" because then you can use that label to deny reality. Biden was a pedo and has dementia, it was obvious. you didn't care because he was "on your team".
It's also not a theory. It's a fact.
Lets not say “destroy democracy” and instead say “dismantling the government and systems in place to protect citizens and the basic rights of human beings in favor of a theocratic fascist regime.”
You can say it, but you'd be hysterically wrong, like any other time Democrats or Republicans have whipped themselves into hysteria to protect themselves from reality.
I can't engage with militant centrism, again I care about outcomes. Right now we're heading for bad outcomes because people (like you) are so incredibly self-consumed that they can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to mobilize communities and get social and start uniting instead of finding yet more things to feel special about under every rock.
Have a good one. Or a bad one. Or one in between because GOOD AND BAD ARE THE SAME THING WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
You "care about outcomes"? Bullshit. you care about your political team winning. There's a difference. It's why you engage in the typical Democrat hysteria and spew their talking points with no consideration for reality.
Then when the midterms come, if Republicans gain more seats, you'll be screeching louder and becoming more and more hysterical. Then in 2028, if (assuming he'll run) JD Vance wins, you'll be shitting yourself and wondering why so many people are "turning into fascists" as you continue blindly spewing your political party's talking points.
If Trump was a Democrat, you'd be polishing his shoes with your tongue and talking about how good the polish tastes and talking about how no one is above the law, which is why illegal immigrants have to go home and come back the right way.
Don't lie to yourself. This is why you spent 4 years defending Biden, despite his obvious dementia.
Who is this imaginary bad man who touched you that you keep imagining? I never gave a shit about Biden or said anything pro-democrat, but I do care a lot about losing representation and human rights at this moment. That's outcomes, something far less important to you than feeling "right" for having your edgy centrist fantasy.
Go ahead and get your last spiel in for whatever other breathless centrists and tankies get down this far or your alts, I won't see it.
Now you're just trying to gaslight. Any time the Democrats don't win, you lose your shit and you know it.
But, yes, do run away and block me because I'm sure by now the cognitive dissonance is reaching critical levels.
There's a certain level of childish contrarianism going on. "I was going to do this, but now I have learned you want me to do it and so I'm going to refuse"
My brother and I tried to convince our father to install solar panels when he was considering replacing our parents' entire roof due to age. The house was perfect for it: it wasn't shaded by trees, the roof was a 35 degree angle facing mostly to the south, the whole roof needed to be replaced, and there where still some really good tax advantages at the time.
We ran all the numbers for him, showed how it would pay for itself in something like 5 years and actually generate money for him after that, how the tax breaks would save so much money, how a large home battery could be used to power the home when the electricity is out due to Indiana's frequent tornadoes and storms...
Nope. Saving tens of thousands of dollars wasn't enough to overcome the dangers of Critical Race Theory powered panels generating a woke communist DEI field that is going to transgender the tan suit wearing raccoons of the Southern Indiana AntiFa Brigade.
I'm glad he died before COVID hit. He would absolutely have been the sort to say that wearing a mask is something only blue haired lesbian socialists do and gotten our mother killed.
The problem is that if they almost have a good idea, they add "for white people" at the end. Gun rights for white people. Financial freedom for white people. Low taxes for white people.
There are aspects of "Make America Healthy Again" that are actually good ideas but the problem is that they are tied to extremely bad ones. Like getting rid of artificial dyes in food and improving food purity are good ideas on the surface, but they're tied to dumb ass ideas like seed oil panic and anti vax. Furthermore, none of this stuff is actually being supported by law. It's all just rhetoric and the actual law and policy changes are just more pro corporate nonsense and all action taken by corporations so far has been voluntary statements saying they'll do something in the future. I think this is the real problem of the conservative movement at least in its current form. Even when they stumble upon a good idea, the fact that there is no underlying logical framework to that idea other than just further enriching those in charge means that said idea can't be implemented properly and without other nonsense.
Are we talking conservatives in theory here, or conservatives in practice?
In theory, it's not a matter of right or wrong, it's a matter of balance. The government needs brakes, it needs people who look at every issue from the perspective of "should we do this thing, how far should we go with it, and how much should it cost". In practice, conservatives have had way too much power for far too long. They've gone past the point of being brakes, and become full-on regressives that have been co-opted by corporations and religious fanatics that flock to the stability and "traditional values" that the ideology initially had as it's foundation.
If you look at earlier 19th and early 20th century conservatives, they absolutely make pretty good points.
More than a few social safety systems world wide were instituted by conservatives, under the thinking that people are fucking shit to eachother and thus it falls to institutions to take care of basic needs. A famous example is the German welfare state created by Bismarck.
A lot of natural beauty has been protected by conservatives, because they used to believe in actually conserving things.
Conservatives of the past have done a LOT of good in preventing and reversing government overreach in personal liberties.
I could have absolutely had a great discussion with a conservative from 1925. We would have some major disagreements, but more than a few similarities. And a modern conservative would loathe everything about that same past conservative.
Bismarck only enacted those welfare laws to take the wind out of the sails of leftist labourer movements
This isn't too far from what has been researched. Take a gander: https://theauthoritarians.org/
I've seen local rural conservitards who are anti-data center. its mostly because they're old and don't understand computers but as a self hosting advocate I'm all for it.
"The positions my political party takes is always correct. Those who disagree with my political party are always wrong" is the single most intellectually bankrupt, arrogant, and narcissistic view a person can have.
It shows a complete lack of critical thinking and a deep, outright religious zeal for the message of the doctrine of the political party they worship.
What are they correct about, then?
Well, then, it should be easy for you to come up with examples. You wouldn't just get all worked up and morally righteous if you didn't have tons of examples where conservatives were correct, would you? I'm sure you can list hundreds, but let's start with one.
Edit: Dagwood_Sanwich has made 9 comments in the time since I made this one, so I think it's a given that they can't come up with one answer. If anybody out there needs to learn how to deal with conservatives, I suggest you take notes from LBC's James O'Brien. Conservatives tend to make general statements and grandstand, but just ask them to explain one thing and they crumple.
Of course, James O'Brien's style works best when you are in a conversation with them. On the internet, they'll just find somewhere else to go and spread their misinformation. But if we all acted like James O'Brien, there would be nowhere for propagandists to go.
The account is also less than 2 weeks old and seems to mostly make comments like the above. Either they're as much of a whiny Republican when challenged on their talking points as they present themselves to be, or they're a troll/astroturfed. Either way, blocked
I'm not sure they're worth blocking. Their account will probably be banned soon, anyways, presumably like their previous accounts were.
Both the Right and the Left agree you shouldn't get to freeload off other people's work, they just disagree on who it is that's doing the freeloading...