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2A is a hobby. Y'all aren't protecting a thing.
The fact that guns have been vital to winning wars for centuries proves you wrong.
We just aren't there yet.
I think you're missing the point. The vast majority of gun owners will never have to use their firearms in self-defense, that much is true. Most responsible gun owners also hope they never have to. It's also true that the vast majority of people with homeowners insurance will never have their house burn down, yet they still pay their insurance company every month.
Wouldn't you at least like to give yourself a fighting chance in the event that the worst happens?
Just to expand on that, there's value in just having them. The US military has developed anti-insurgent tactics over the past 20 years. One of them is that to occupy an armed populace, they expect to need one soldier for every three civilians in the area. They have to assume everyone is armed and everyone will be against them.
That would mean that if they want to put the US under martial law, they will need to mobilize 25% of the US population into the military directly and expect them to follow orders to the same level of competence as the existing military. This is a pipe dream. Approximately 10% of the US population was uniformed up in WW2, and agreement on the war was nearly universal. The draft existed not so much to get enough people, but to make sure the military could take in people at a sustainable rate without cutting too much into industrial production at home.
All combined, the regular military, the National Guard, and ICE do not have enough people to put the entire country under martial law. They don't even have enough to put New York under martial law. They might have enough for Vermont. The ICE recruiting surge won't change this.
The Green Mountain Boys, the long-standing Vermont secessionist movement, and a bunch of deer-hunting farmers with generations of familiarity with the land and a massive "mind your own goddamn business" attitude have entered the chat.
You'd think that, if you didn't know Vermont. Mass is the state you want, they have no guns, like for real. VT is liberal NH, they have plenty guns. Hell they might have an easier time with NY than VT tbh, even with the disparity in numbers between them and VT.
MA has a nonzero amount of guns.
I know they have a literal few, but fuck they fight hard to cut down on it. You'd think with all the goddamn bricks in that trail it'd remind them freedom was a thing but NOPE.
Still have family in the state. Know it well.
The worst is happening, but in true American style 2A enjoyers won't act until they're individually effected... Y'all won't act when that happens either.
And you're doing even less, sweetie. Stay in your lane until you find the blinker. Ta!
Can't do less than nothing!
You're sure trying though.
What we'll see from the 2A crowd is the same shit we've seen with the Israeli Settler movement.
Certain people are allowed to own guns. Certain people are allowed to carry them in public. Certain people are allowed to use those guns to take property, abuse political opponents, commit sexual assault, and engage in vigilante homicide. These people will be under the aegis of a friendly police and paramilitary force.
We're seeing it right now, in Washington DC. White nationalists are setting up shop in the center of town with the blessing of the Secretary of Drunkfence, Pete Hegseth.
Ever study Black Panther tactics? They were so effective that they changed the rules to make their tactics illegal.
So why are we being governed by fascists?
Because Americans have grown weak and stupid over the last 50 years.
See many leftists open carrying?
Yup
It doesn't matter how many leftists actually own guns, because "owning a gun" is a right-wing moniker.
If you see someone with a gun, they must be de facto right-wing.
Your logic is shit, if not intentionally juvenile. 🤷🏼♂️
Better shoot me!
Waste of a bullet. We'll need them for the fascists.
Oh yeah, the founding fathers just put that one in there for fun...
They put it in there because a well-regulated militia is necessary for the security of a free state. Well, we have a military now - by far the largest in the world, in fact.
No they put it in there because slave owners were scared about slave rebellions. But let's not let that get in the way of stopping fascists.
I don't doubt that's part of it, but it's nowhere in the wording.
And you clearly don't understand what "well-regulated" or "militia" meant at the time, or any other bit of context.
There's 2 types of militia - organized and unorganized. Organized militia is the National Guard. The unorganized militia is every able-bodied man of fighting age, roughly 16-45 years old at the time. Note that the 2nd Amendment doesn't specify between organized and non-organized militias.
"Well-regulated" doesn't mean "organized". At the time, it meant properly equipped and trained. That means having a rifle, knowing how to use it, and also knowing how to survive on your own in the wilderness to some degree. All of these were pretty common in the early US's history.
There's also the broader context of US military doctrine over most of its history. Up until WWII, there was a very small standing army, mainly formed of a corps of well-trained officers (CO's and NCO's). The idea was that the country would hold a draft whenever war came, and that corps of professional soldiers would train, equip, and lead the draftees. Unsurprisingly, training draftees to fight is a lot faster and cheaper when they already have their own equipment and know how to use it.
The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is twofold. The first is to serve as a check against a tyrannical government by enabling an unspoken 4th branch of government made up by the populace. The second purpose is to better enable raising a military in wartime.
And aside from all of this, you are conveniently ignoring the second clause of the amendment: The Right of The People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. If you look at the structure of how the amendment is written, it's very obvious that the first clause is there as an explanation and that the second clause can stand on it's own.
And lastly, why are you going to a gun owners community to argue against gun ownership? You're literally going out of your way to start an argument. Get off your phone and touch grass
Baby, the government is corrupted and I don't see you 2A guys taking back the country.
We're in the "stock up" phase right now.
No one's going to risk their life until things get darker, which they will.
FFS, you got a Woody string or some shit? All you post are regurged buzzwords & FUD.
Ever read the etymology of the word "moron"?
I just checked the dictionary for moron and low and behold there you were.
Tell us, O' wise one: wtf are you contributing, exactly? 😚
I'm certainly not contributing to the hobby that allows kids to be shot and killed in a school because said hobby makes one feel like a free strong man and those guns have more rights than those kids.
It's a hobby until the fascists are at your door.
I'm anti-gun as fuck, but you fail to understand that this is not an intelligent society that can exist without firearms. We are entering a situation where we are going to need firearms. It's as simple as that.
I'm pretty tired of school shootings, but I'm more concerned about living under fascism than I am about school shootings.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present "until it effects me"...
"I'm more concerned about living under fascism than I am about school shootings." - DarkFuture@lemmy.world
Quick question.
Are you fucking stupid?
If you are living in America you are now living in a nation with a fascist government. If you are unwilling to prepare for the worst case scenario, which is usually the case with fascist governments, then you are fucking stupid.
So I guess my question to you is rhetorical. You are, in fact, a fucking idiot.
Now, if you can't do anything other than whine like a little bitch, then shut the fuck up and let the people who are willing to prepare for that worst case scenario converse with each other while you go crawl under a rock and die like the little bitch you are.
Do something then. Time for preparation has passed. You and the other gun strokers go take back our country. Oh wait... You're all fucking cowards that talk a big game, but we all know you love guns because you're a bunch of fucking scared little shits. You'll cling to them and your "rights" right till the very end. Goddamn pathetic the lot of you.
Says the loser that literally stated in another comment that they're doing nothing.
What a stupid fucking thing to say.
Dickless pussy tells others to save them. Sounds about right for a coward such as yourself.
You're a coward that tells others to save you because you can't save yourself.
I stated in another comment that I've been anti-gun my whole life you dumbfuck. Can't be anymore. The situation has changed. You're too stupid to grasp that.
Lol. I just went through your comment history. The majority of your comments are downvoted because you're a fucking idiot. I even found the classic loser reply from you on one of your most downvoted comments where you said "downvotes are from people that know I'm right but are mad about it". A true loser response to being downvoted for being a world class dumbfuck.
You. Are. A. Loser.
it’s a current promise by the powers currently in charge. remember: the constitution is not immutable. learn that now and learn it hard.
2A is important and ownership even as a hobby is still very much important. There is nothing “defensive” about some of my guns, they exist purely to make me laugh.
I've seen "Rambo", "Rambo: First Blood II", and "Rambo III: Brave Mujahideen Fighters of Afghanistan" over six times.
I'm pretty sure I could fire an exploding arrow at any evil government officials who would try to give me a hard time.