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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I just thought that having a client side proof-of-work (or even only a delay) bound to the IP might deter the AI companies to choose to behave instead (because single-visit-per-IP crawlers get too expensive/slow and you can just block normal abusive crawlers). But they already have mind-blowing computing and money ressources and only want your data.

But if there was a simple-to-use integrated solution and every single webpage used this approach?

[–] witten@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Believe me, these AI corporations have way too many IPs to make this feasible. I've tried per-IP rate limiting. It doesn't work on these crawlers.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What if we had some protocol by which the proof-of-work is transferable? Then not only would there be a cost to using the website, but also the operator would receive that cost as payment.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's theoretically viable, but every time that has been tried has failed

There are a lot of practical issues, mainly that it's functionally identical to a crypto miner malware

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you planning to just outright ban IPv6 (and thus half the world)?

Any IP based restriction is useless with IPv6

[–] strict0768@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not really true, you can block ranges.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Okay, but how does that help? Or are you suggesting just wholesale banning entire ISPs?

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Solution was invented long ago. It's called a captcha.

A little bother for legitimate users, but a good captcha is still hard to bypass even using AI.

And I think for the final user standpoint I prefer to lose 5 seconds in a captcha, than the browser running an unsolicited heavy crypto challenge on my end.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago

For years, we’ve written that CAPTCHAs drive us crazy. Humans give up on CAPTCHA puzzles approximately 15% of the time and, maddeningly, CAPTCHAs are significantly easier for bots to solve than they are for humans.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ga/

I hate captchas.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AI is better at solving captchas than you.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I tried, and not really.

I had to scrape a site that have some captcha and no AI was able to consistently solve it.

In order to be able to "crack it" I had to replicate the captcha generation algorithm best I could and train a custom model to solve it. Only then I could crack it open. And I was lucky the captcha generation algorithm wasn't to complex and it was easy to replicate.

This amount of work is a far greater load than Anubis crypto challenges.

Take into account that AI drive ocr drinks from existing examples, if your captcha is novel enough they are going to have a hard time solving it.

It also would drain power, which is the only point of anubis.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a difference between you (or me) sitting at home working on this and a team of highly motivated people with unlimited money.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The thing is not that it cannot be done, the thing is that the cost is most likely higher than Anubis.