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[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Oh good, another accelerationist in power who thinks they're the catalyst for the rapture.

The thing that confounds me the most is that these people have been rejecting our experienced reality and believing in some post-apocalyptic utopia for CENTURIES. But belief upon belief, attempt after attempt, they have only shown that their belief-system has no foundation or champion whose power they can invoke. But, instead of saying "we have the resources to make utopia exist here and now," they say, "we must not have pleased our friend who hasn't shown his face in MILLENNIA. But I know for a fact that he's real, so we just gotta cause a biblical apocalypse for all the chess pieces we feed and employ."

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 39 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I am religious. I find the idea of purposefully bringing on the end of times strongly contradictory to my understanding of the Abrahamic religions. It is not the place of humans to decide, when the end times come, nor do humans have the power to do so. And the idea that purposefully bringing on the end of the world would be rewarded, instead of punished, by God is incomprehensible to me.

There is a narration both in Judaism and Islam, that emphasizes this:

https://bliis.org/essay/planting-a-tree-in-the-end-times-an-analysis-of-an-islamic-and-jewish-saying/

“If the [Day of] Resurrection were established upon one of you, and in his hand is a sapling, then he should plant it.”
عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ إِنْ قَامَتْ عَلَى أَحَدِكُمْ الْقِيَامَةُ وَفِي يَدِهِ فَسْلَةٌ فَلْيَغْرِسْهَا[1][2]

“If you are holding a sapling in your hand and someone tells you, ‘Come quickly, the Messiah is here!’, first finish planting the tree and then go to greet the Messiah.” – Rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai (30 BC – 90 CE),

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm reminded of the quote by Heraclitus: "Though reason is common, most people live as though they had an understanding peculiar to themselves." Religion is not immune to this, with people often twisting it to suit their own goals.

[–] derek 2 points 1 month ago

Your comment reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2RXoqB1LjA

A recent ~2 minute video from the ever-excellent Dr. Dan McClellen. The opening sentence is: "Every last attempt to identify divine commands in the Bible that are relevant to anyone today requires negotiating with the text."

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