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Men ages 23 to 30 are discovering that a bachelor's degree doesn't offer the same protection from unemployment that it used to.

Amid a wider slowdown in hiring, the unemployment rate for men ages 23 to 30 with bachelor’s degrees has jumped in recent months to 6% — compared with 3.5% for young women with the same level of education, according to data analyzed by NBC News.

Now, young men with bachelor’s degrees are slightly likelier to be unemployed than young men with just high school diplomas, the analysis found. That’s a recent reversal after decades when young men with bachelor’s degrees had an advantage in the labor market, economists said.

Young women haven’t experienced the same trend; they are still significantly likelier to be employed if they have bachelor’s degrees.

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[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you implying young women are employed because they have identified class-based oppression?

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then how is that relevant to the OP?

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

People in general are uneducated about class dynamics and the reasons behind employment relations and unemployment. This means that, in particular, young men see statistics like this and come to incel conclusions.

These class dynamics are obscured intentionally by articles like this.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Where are you seeing people coming to "incel conclusions?" ITT?

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I haven't, and didn't imply such. It's a general observation about how the statistics referenced exist in a poisoned public discourse.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When I asked how your first response was relevant, you replied that "young men see statistics like this and come to incel conclusions." If you aren't actually seeing people come to that conclusion then your comments weren't relevant.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You do know I was making a top level comment in response to OP right? The world has a toxic masculinity problem that is underlined by the shallow analysis of the article and headline.

It's not a comment about any particular person in this post commentary, unless they are taking it personally somehow. Your 'point of order' is strange. Why do you have a bee in your bonnet?

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly, your first comment came off as inflammatory and devisive. Toxic masculinity doesn't explain why young men with college degrees are less employed than those without college degrees, and it sounds a lot like victim blaming. I really don't see how it contributes positively to the conversation at all.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a lot of tone policing without real dialogue then! I wasn't explaining a direct cause, just a systemic feature of capitalism, and pointed out an effect of the propagandistic reporting in the link.

If you wanted to discuss causes, you had a chance.