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Virginia Delegate Sam Rasoul, whose family was displaced by Israel, wrote about the ‘evils’ of Zionism, prompting a flurry of attacks from Tim Kaine, Abigail Spanberger, and other party colleagues.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (23 children)

Known top Democrats Eileen Filler-Corn, Abigail Spanberger, and Tim Kaine. I mean, there are plenty of rabidly pro-Israel top Democrats, but none of them are in this article.

The emphasis on "Zionism" is a little bit weird, too. I've seen Bernie Sanders be accused of being a "Zionist," because he doesn't want Israel to be destroyed. I mean, I guess that's... true? Maybe? "Zionist" seems like something you can apply to a huge number of pretty reasonable people by that definition. It seems like kind of a textbook way to start to throw mud at a massively pro-Palestinian person, and accuse him of being anti-Palestinian, through cleverly dishonest use of language.

I don't want Israel to be destroyed. Am I a Zionist?

Edit: I looked up a little more about it. This Palestinian state congressman, who is a Democratic committee chair, has been talking vigorously on social media about the evils of Israel's most recent "war" since October 2023. It only turned into an issue with this specific post, because the language means one thing to him, but a very different thing to some people who are reading it, and so they objected.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Fun fact, recognizing Israel as a country had wide support from antisemitic groups all across the US and Europe.

It was seen as a solution to get rid of the Jews once and for all. Just deport them all to the Middle East so that they're someone else's problem.

Using the same loose logic could easily be used to say that Zionism is antisemitic. It's the kind of stupid logic that conservatives use all the time to make the facts fit their feelings.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Makes perfect sense.

Almost as if you can't look for morality or amorality in broad categories, and you need to look at what someone's actually doing (or advocating or whatever), and be specific.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Almost as if you can’t look for morality or amorality in broad categories

Some broad categories are beyond the pale. For example, there's no moral way to implement an apartheid state.

Absolutely correct. So anyone who's doing that (or supporting it, making excuses for it, whatever), that's real fucked up and they're a bad person. I should have clarified, that type of broad category I'm fine with.

What I was saying is that someone who has been tirelessly advocating for the US to stop funding Israel, showing photos of the genocide and starvation on the senate floor, introducing votes to defund Israel, showing up at protests, all that kind of thing, if you manage to introduce a category of "Zionist" into the conversation, and then say "Well he's a Zionist so he's supporting genocide," that's a stupid way to reason. That's what I'm saying about broad categories. That type of broad category (using imprecise language to strategically make it sound like someone's supporting something they're not supporting) are useful tools for getting people confused.

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