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Brought to you by the unbiased news source - kyivindependent.com
This kind of snarky dismissal is a textbook example of the genetic fallacy. It's rejecting an argument or claim solely because of its source, rather than engaging with the content, the evidence, or the reasoning behind it.
Yes, The Kyiv Independent is Ukrainian, and yes, it likely carries national bias. Just like literally every national outlet does during wartime. That doesn’t automatically invalidate every fact it reports, especially when those facts are supported by third-party evidence and international bodies.
In this article, for example, the claim about the child adoption "catalog" is backed by:
Screenshots from Russian occupation websites, figures from Save Ukraine ( a long-standing NGO) and references to internationally verified abductions; numbers confirmed by Ukraine's ombudsman, the ICC’s arrest warrants, and other human rights organizations)
So even if you don’t like the outlet, you're still responsible for engaging with the facts, not just rolling your eyes and calling it propaganda.
Dismissing credible, corroborated claims with a one-liner is lazy and cowardly. If you're going to talk about war crimes and mass abductions, do better than a meme-level deflection and actually engage the facts. This isn’t some Internet drama without consequences; it’s the systematic erasure of children.
Dismissing Russian media reports occurs way more commonly but no one says anything then.
Russian media rarely if ever cites their sources, and when they do they are dubious at best
and mostly because putin control what russian media puts out as well.
Did they report on those at all?
I searched their websites and I got 0 hits on the Ghost of Kyiv, and 1 hit on Snake Island (this).
There is no such thing as "neutral" in a war, but facts are facts, and lies are lies. If the position people take means people say lies, you disprove the lies.
From all this word-soup I see that you have effectively not a good example of false reporting from the Kyiv Independent, and you cast a wide net to the whole "western media".
What is an example of neutral media in your opinion that you consider factual and trustworthy?
I guess nothing since they ran away
What a sad, almost patethic, way to drop the towel and abandon the conversation.
I can't say I am entirely surprised, when someone calls a newspaper a rag, accuses it of false reporting on two topics and then backpedals on "no, not that specifically, the whole western media is not neutral" (great discovery, newspapers are not neutral).
Have a good one!
Perhaps something to do with you being Russian troll?
Ah, so now we're on to classic whataboutism fallacy. Pointing out that Russian media gets dismissed (often for good reason) doesn’t make it logically valid to dismiss any report just because of its origin.
If you think The Kyiv Independent is questionable, that's fine! Interrogate the claims. Ask:
What are the sources?
Are they independent?
Can they be verified elsewhere?
The same rules apply to Russian media and every other claim.
But using other fallacies doesn't justify your response. Saying “Well, people dismiss Russian media too” isn’t a defense. It’s just avoiding the argument again.
What-aboutism. I love how generic and useless you're being.
Russian sources arnt legitimate, and are filled with propaganda, so its generally ignored. it would be deleted on reddit as it would here as well.
Your point is?
Here's another older source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-ukraine-children-russia-war-kidnapping-evidence-b2717730.html
Children from Eastern Europe have been considered prime trafficking victims for several decades now. They are usually white and easily accessible, often sitting out on the streets.
Here's a documentary about Romanian street children: https://youtu.be/HDiIrdzFGCY
Here's Robert Maxwell trafficking them: https://www.nli.org.il/he/images/%20nnl_archive_al990040300950205171/NLI#$FL45875197
There is substantial evidence that torture, snuff, rape, bestiality, and CSAM materials coming from Russia are made by Putin's request and put out by his request to accrue blackmail on the people who view them online. A large part of what many world leaders want today are just straight up children and babies as a commodity.
Hey, out of curiosity- is Putin a bad person? Can you say something negative about Putin?
Worse than imperial China? The Mongols? Alexander the Great? The Dutch and Dutch East India Company? The British? The French? The Spanish?
There is no "lesser evil." There are assholes in charge who kill and enslave people just living their lives. There are rulers and enforcers who work together to trick the public en masse that any one of them is better than another. When at its core, owning and harming others is inherently wrong with no middle ground and benevolent slavers are still slavers.
Just like it isn't the Russian people who want war or want to fight in war, it is Putin and the wealthy who want it, to kill their own men and to thin the herd. They can then take their money and stuff after they die. It's not just about what they gain from Ukraine, it's also about an attack on their own people.
I accept your loss due to an inability to form a good faith argument.
Again, I accept your loss due to an inability to argue in good faith.
Independent is not a tabloid you fucking Russian propaganda troll.
Did you say anything Bumhole? All I heard is a Russian troll making with their mouth sounds usually associated with an arse.