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The vast majority of Israelis say they are not troubled by reports of famine and suffering in Gaza, a new poll released by the Israel Democracy Institute shows.

The survey shows that 79 percent of Jews in Israel were not troubled, or troubled at all, whereas 86 percent of “Arab” respondents were somewhat or very troubled by the reports about the war on Gaza.

The survey was conducted between 27-31 July.

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[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That's not true. Zionism originates from the Jewish scriptures. Basically, Judaism talks about how Jews were promised by God, via the scriptures and the old prophets, the land of Israel as a homeland. It is the duty of Jews to resettle the holy land and establish a theological society that is based on the divine laws and systems laid out in the Torah. By doing so, Jews would achieve salvation for themselves, and eventually for the rest of the world. This global salvation will be marked by global harmony and the coming of the messiah who will guide the world in the path of God.

Virtually all Jews agree that Israel is their homeland and that they will eventually reclaim the holy land and settle it in a way that would bring salvation as they await the coming of the Messiah. Traditionally Zionism was seen as something that is out of human control and is entirely up to God's will. Essentially Jews will go back to Israel when God wills it and people have no say in the matter, any attempt by humans to accelerate the salvation is seen as blasphemous as it's an act of rebellion against God's will.

That's when modern Zionism split. Modern Zionists believe that political and secular Zionism is a tool given by God to enact his divine plan and to initiate the return of Jews back the land of Israel. Therefore following this type of Zionism is actually following God's will and it's the duty of religious Jews to pursue it.

Obviously, there's a great deal of debate among Jews about which theological branch is correct, but either way, the origins of Zionism aren't purely secular or nationalist.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Modern Zionists believe that political and secular Zionism is a tool given by God to enact his divine plan and to initiate the return of Jews back the land of Israel.

Early modern Zionists (including Herzl himself) overwhelmingly didn't believe in God in the first place.

Obviously, there's a great deal of debate among Jews about which theological branch is correct, but either way, the origins of Zionism aren't purely secular or nationalist.

You should look up Theodor Herzl. Early Zionists were straight up voting on whether they'd build their Jewish state in Palestine or Uganda, and the vote was pretty narrow if I'm not mistaken. The rationale for choosing Palestine was that it'd be easier to get religious Jews (which the guys who were thinking up this stuff were absolutely not) on board. Like, do you think Ben Gurion or Golda Mier were having theological debates?

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

But this is separate from what I'm talking about. I'm specifically talking about the origins of the idea itself. It's undeniably based in Jewish religious scriptures. That's where the idea comes from even if modern Zionism evolved to be something different.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 2 hours ago

Okay this is going nowhere, so define Zionism. What do you think Zionism is?