Wrapped up the first book after much struggle. Am I crazy for finding it extremely poorly written? Writing aside, the characters suck, the motivations suck, and the scenario building feels like it was tossed together by a 12 year old. I don't get the hype. Everything is paper thin. The fictional science aspect is the most compelling part but as a cohesive whole it fails to land.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I think there's a real struggle in translating Chinese literature into English.

For what it's worth, the second book - The Dark Forest - starts off much stronger and builds from there, making the first book feel more like it was just introducing the story.

[–] GorGor@startrek.website 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

the Dark Forest sucks just as hard if not more so. the premise of the story

spoiler

Mutually Assured Destruction

isnt an original thought, but the author refuses to acknowledge it until the end, pretending like it wasn't obvious the whole story. then he hand waves the problems he sets up (how do you deal with an alien technology so much more sophisticated than your own) pretending like the sophons just couldn't deal with the threat. All this and the character doesn't ever really develop. Things happen to him, but we don't get any meat to his personality, just external bullshit.

I started listening to the third book because I am a gluten for punishment and I have a long commute, but it just meandered. If it was another author Id give them the benefit of the doubt, but I havnt been able to get through it.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Dark Forrest: Gump with a Gun

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The premise of The Dark Forest is extremely explicitly not MAD though.

[–] GorGor@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The point of the story is

spoiler

The wallfacers have to have a secret plan that they cant share because the sophons can intervene if it is known. The Sophons are so powerful because they can interfere with any technology, only the human mind is beyond their reach. So he creates a technology to do exactly what he tested out that would achieve mutually assured destruction and the sophons cant do anything about it because... reasons.

It was obvious the entire time what he was planning and the result of that plan was MAD. If you come to destroy us, we will both die. He couldnt say it outloud because the premise was he was a wallfacer and there is no good reason this particular plan would suceed.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

Ah, I see what you mean, I thought you meant the Dark Forest theory itself.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago

and the third book is even better.

But I agree with OP that the writing is bad, I just enjoy the intrigue and sci-fi enough to read the books, esp. at that particular part of the second book (the first book and first part of the second book were admittedly less compelling to me than the rest of the second book and the third book).