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I will never claim that all jews are bad because Israel is fucked up, nor will I ever claim that all catholics are bad because of the Spanish Inquisition or all muslims are bad because of the terrorists. It is true that not all people who follow those religions are bad.
However, one cannot deny the religious motivations. They are doing this because they believe that their sky daddy promised them that land, just like the catholics who did commit the inquisition believed their sky daddy wanted a pure catholic europe, and the racidal muslims believe their sky daddy wants to punish unvelievers/misbelievers.
This is just ignorant. There's only 14 million Jews in the world and 90% of them either live in the US or Israel. If there were 1.9 billion Jews like there were muslims, for example, we would start seeing a bunch of different states that act very differently from other. I think most people can agree that Iran under the Mullah regime and Afghanistan under the Taliban are evil, but at the same time, there are also islamic countries like Albania and Kazakhstan that are pretty normal. Trying to judge all Jews off the actions off of the actions of Israel, it's like judging all muslims off of the actions of Pakistan or all Christians off of the actions of Brazil. It's just silly.
I dunno, I dont see Iran committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Iran is not committing Genocide. That's not to say they don't WANT to or would if they could, they absolutely would, but nothing on the scale that Israel is doing.
No, you're just entirely wrong. Iran is in fact committing both genocide and ethnic cleansing. Iran does it's foreign policy through proxies, similar to Russia with Wagner, as it gives them plausible deniability when they face backlash. Iran isn't exactly discrete with this either, they have an entire military branch called the Quds force that was specifically created and designed to conduct asymmetrical warfare. The Quds force has a very long and well documented history, where they fund, arm, train, and provide intelligence for proxies that are willing to do their bidding (source).
This isn't exactly new either, they've have been doing this since the 80s. Iran's major proxies in the Middle East have ALL conducted campaigns of genocide and ethnic cleansing against Druze, Baha'is, Christains, Jews, Mandaeans, Alawites, and Sunnis(especially Kurds). Here's a very brief list of examples:
Yemen - The Houthis have successfully ethnically cleansed the Jews out of the country (Source 1, source 2). Just go read what's on their official flag, and that will tell you all you need to know (source). They've also been doing the same to Baha'is (source)
Lebanon: Hezbollah has been trying to ethnically cleanse its Druze minority for decades now from massacring entire villages to launching rockets at Israel from Druze towns (so when Israel retaliates, it'll land in their towns and kill them) to trying to create inter community violence and the list goes and on. (source). They've also been going after the Sunni minority in the country where they chase them out of their towns and neighborhoods (source)
Syria: The Fatemiyoun Division and the Zaynabiyoun Brigade have been notorious in ethnically cleansing Sunni and Christian Syrians from their towns (Source 1)
Iraq: Proxies like Kata’ib Hezbollah, Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, Badr Organization, and a bunch of others are notorious for persecuting Sunnis, especially Kurds (Source 1, source 2). They also worked alongside ISIS to persecute Christians in the name of islam and also under the guise of anti-ISIS operations even though it was textbook ethnic cleansing(source)
Iran: Things in Iran are so bad that the OHCHR literally put out a 30 page report as a part of their Independent International Fact-Finding Mission program that explains how Iran has been persecuting and ethnically cleansing Kurds, Baluchis, Ahwazi Arabs, Azeris, Baha’is, Yarsanis, Christians, Jews, and bunch of other minorities. In the report they found that the Mullah regime used excessive and often lethal force disproportionately against minorities in their provinces (including massacres like “Bloody Friday” in Zahedan in 2022). The regime conducted mass arrests targeting minority activists, journalists, and religious leaders, where a lot of them were kidnapped and denied due process. The victims suffered beatings, electric shocks, sexual violence, and psychological abuse, alongside threats to their families. Religious minorities such as Baha’is, for example, faced home raids, property confiscation, school expulsions, and arrests, while Yarsanis and Sunnis had restrictions on their religious practices. The Kurds and Baluchis even had their gatherings, festivals, and publications banned, and they're being punished for speaking their languages in public. Jews in the country have also been rounded up, arrested, and punished in mass over baseless accusations of them being Israeli spies. The regime's explicit goals for all of this is to make Iran more "islamic", that's textbook ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide (source).
I'm actually from Iraq and I come from a Mandaean background. I've literally seen this shit first hand, I've seen these very groups and how they have terrorized people, how they have cleansed entire communities, how they keep the country broken and corrupt, and how they carry out Iran's interests. We used to be a community of around 60,000 in 2003, and now there's only a couple of thousand left in the country at best. The Mandaean community is literally facing extinction now (source). Mandeans mostly lived in the south of the country where the population is mostly Shia and Arab, so the ethnic cleansing didn't happen by the hands of ISIS or the Kurds or the Sunnis nor was it the Americans. After the 2003 war, Iran propped their proxies and they unleashed hell on the country, especially for its minorities where they were forced to flee, including my own family. My family went through hell and is now scattered all over the world and, and now some random Lemmy Mod is going to tell me that what family went through is misinformation? Give me a break.
Also, Israel is not the standard for what ethnic cleansing or genocide is, and it's beyond ignorant to try to frame something a topic this complex and big around a single point of reference. Not only is it not the only ethnic cleansing going on right now, but by ignorantly dismissing other conflicts by not comparing to this one, you're spitting on the victims and all the suffering they're going through. If you want to voice some disagreement, sure, whatever, that's your right. But what you're doing here is enforcing your ignorant and misguided.
<quoted from user Gorilladrums, laying an accusation of genocide and ethnic cleansing on Iran. Copying before he deletes his post or it gets taken down for being misinformation>
oh my, they are committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in 4, maybe 5 places right now!!!
Bold claims. Well you know how making bold claims works. Show us the data, if you arent just making that up from your hasbara-fevered imagination.
edit: your comment is removed, gorilladrums but I'll still wait for your reply on this one. Go ahead, redeem yourself. Show us you werent lying.
Refer to this comment:
https://lemmy.world/post/34062295/18801652
So your evidence of ethnic cleansing across 5 countries, of jews of course-- is a wikipedia page of the quds force and an article saying that someone said "damn the jews". huh. More lies and misinformnation from you, as usual.
Fun fact: You can report bigots under rule 4.
It's ignorant to call out dumbasses who believe in fairy tales? Okay then, haven't seen this sort of Zionist propaganda before
No, there's a difference between being critical of a religion and judging an entire religious demographic on the actions of a particular state.
ah the old hasbara run-to. anytime you get weak, run back to pretending Israel represents all of judaism, and any criticism of what israel is doing is "antisemitic" which just means racist-- which is the most common thing in the world. But your racism always gets a pass. I get pretty tired of that nonsense. Why is universal human rights such a problem for zionists? Why do Palestinians have no rights?
Nah, if you believe in mumbo jumbo you bet I'll judge you as a less intelligent being. If you believe in some unprovable being that's being used as a scapegoat for genocide you're no better than the people committing said genocide
I'm not defending religion here. I'm with you on that. I'm just saying that it's wrong to generalize an entire demographic for the action of a specific entity that has little to do with them. Israel =/= Jews or Judaism. Again, this is like judging all 1.9 billion muslims for the actions of the Taliban. It's fine if you want to be critical of Judaism or islam or any other religion, it's also fine if you want to be critical Israel or Afghanistan or any other state, but judging an entire demographic for the actions of a state just because of their religion? Now we're starting to get too close to bigotry territory.