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Do you truly believe kier beat the Tories on his own merit, rather than the Tories self imploding? Even after winning, he had around 1m less on the popular vote than Corbyns loss in 2019... Why? Because voter apathy and a general disdain for the tories handed labour the last election, rather than them winning on their own merit.
The only reason I and many other people voted for Kiers labour was exactly as you said, 14 year of tory regime has decimated the countries welfare, and intentionally so.... But the countries complicit nature In the bombing of children in Gaza continues, if it wasn't for good ol' Jeremy there wouldn't even be an inquiry as labour have rejected the bill to hold an independently run tribunal to investigate the governments complicit nature in the Gaza genocide and that is just too big of a pain point for me. I refuse to have the blood of innocent children on my hands, even if it means life at home gets easier.
This is ultimately how democracy works right. Labour pretending to be the left wing option of the UK has left many voters disenfranchised... Now, labour can own up to being the centrist party they've become, and those who want the lesser of two evils can continue to vote for them... The rest of us who want to see real societal change, can try a new approach.
labour is not a left wing party, the sooner people accept that, the better
There will always be tension between where ideology, and hopes of a better world, meet with what is currently achievable.
What is achievable depends on load of factors; what technology exists, how wealth is concentrated, how divided people are, etc etc.
It's the 1500+ days between elections that we must work to shift these factors closer towards where we want to be, so people support policies rather than reject them.
I'd love to be in a situation where overnight everyone realised it's the ultra rich that are the problem, and band together to peacefully redistribute based on nerd. But that isn't where we are.
This is just pure virtue signaling. The idea that by purposefully throwing away your vote is somehow morally better than voting once every 5 years for the lesser of two evils is asinine in the extreme.
So an independent investigation into our current involvement in Gaza isn't currently achievable for what reason? What part of a better world are we missing, where a supposedly democratic nation, can't carry out an independent check on it's public offices?
Pot. Kettle.
Call it whatever you like, but what's asinine is to keep voting for the same party, and expecting different results.
I am continuing to talk about Labour's manifestos, their electoral results in 2017, 2019, and 2024, and how it's a frustrating reality that a) you can't change anything if you aren't in power, and b) getting in to power requires adjusting the offering based on what is currently possible.
I know you know this, but actually doing something that has an impact is not virtue signalling. We fed over 8k people last year, and that's much more helpful to the working class than failing to get elected.
If purity is the reason you do nothing, instead of something, then you're part of the problem.
Nobody is suggesting feeding people is virtue signalling, stop with the strawman already. I'm suggesting that pointing to your work at a food bank and then banging on about "being morally better" and "virtue signalling" in the very next breath is laughable.
Please re-read my comments, you'll see what I've written is not what you're claiming it is.
I'm always happy to talk about routes of how we get to a better place, but if you're just wanting to argue then I'll pass.
So long as it fits your world view you mean; else it's inflammatory language like I'm 'doing nothing' or I'm 'Virtue signalling' and being 'part of the problem', but of course, I'm the one looking to argue.
I already established a very obvious talking point for a route to get to a better place, and it starts with the tribunal kier and his cronies refuse to have, but that talking point was brushed over rather than addressed so whilst your words fit the bill, your actions certainly do not.
The one thing we can agree on is that this conversation is pointless. Our priorities clearly differ greatly, to the point where a separate party just makes sense. You can call it pissing in the wind, or a waste of a vote, doing nothing etc... but that's exactly how I view voting for labour in the next election; they're going to bleed votes to reform and SNP, and then you've got the left wing voters who want to see actual change, rather than this Tory lite approach to politics jumping ship too. The only people left will be the centrists; and that's never going to win an election.