Veganism

My point is that we are part of nature, and thinking that we and our actions are somehow separate from it, animals, the ecosystem, all that, is what has caused this whole disgusting way we are causing mass extinction and immeasurable suffering, and thus can't be the solution to it. Sure we physically dominate the planet now and have power over almost all animals, but that doesn't make us different from them or separate from the ecosystem, plenty of species are dominant in their environments. Something is not unnatural just because only we are doing it (and we're not in fact even the only animals doing this! for example farmer ants farm aphids; but that is irrelevant here); plenty of species do things that are unique to them.

Animal husbandry itself doesn't require rape nor even killing the animals kept; we are perfectly able to keep chickens for eggs, bees for honey... Even cows can be kept for milk without raping them or taking the calves away too young - unless you think animals breeding is somehow unnatural, which I doubt. All this can also be done without making the animals grow unhealthy in the multiple ways we are still continuing to do. But none of this can be done without torture on an industrial level. None.

The sad fact is that even many wild species live longer in captivity when kept in proper conditions, because nature is not "nice". Nature is not some ideal magical place where every animal lives happy and healthy; the fate of any of us in the woods is basically to be either killed by a predator, dying of illness, or starving to death. If that is fine, how is keeping animals close to us in well conditions - healthy, not starving, being able to fullfill their instinctual needs - somehow worse? We're killing and eating them, sure, but that's no different from the fate of them being eaten by a predator; we're then just taking that place in the natural chain. That changes when we intentionally pervert the process and make their lives torture, forcefully create absurd amount of animals just to torture them even more, even intentionally breed them to be unhealthy monstrosities whose short lives are suffering from beginning to the sad end. Keeping and killing anything while causing maximum amount of suffering certainly is a crime if anything is!

And pretending that animals already bred to be dependant on humans would be better off if all humans died, is frankly intellectually lazy. All the chickens we're farming now will die no matter what; pitting them living in torture and dying to be food against them dying of starvation is an argument stemming from hatred towards humans, not from saving the chickens. In no way should we continue like we are doing right now, and focusing on "human kill, human bad - you bad!!!" is at best unhelpful in trying to change the already very hopeless situation for the better.