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[–] SamuelRJankis@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It should be noted that the NDP leadership election isn't till Mar.29 2026. The party seems extra directionless till then.

Jagmeet had some merits as a politician, but they really need to pick a leader as a leader.

I don't like how they reduced Zohran success to being a populist. Politicians are inherently populist to some large degree it's their approach that separates them.

Populist positions typically bear fruit when it comes to fundraising, Grenier said, nodding to democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani’s successful campaign in the New York City Democratic mayoral primary.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

they reduced Zohran success to being a populist

Which perfectly encapsulates why NDP is losing popularity. Zohran isn't popular... his policies are.

NDP is LPC-lite. No calories. No flavour. No fucking point in voting for them.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Why do people keep saying this?

Just because they had to work with the Liberals and make compromises to pass their programs doesn't mean they're LPC lite. They had no choice but to play nice with them.

Give'em a majority and see what happens. You won't get LPC lite. You'll get the real NDP.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just because they had to work with the Liberals and make compromises to pass their programs doesn't mean they're LPC lite

That's not at at all what I think they're LPC-lite. It's their culture.

They'll get a majority when they run on policies that deserves one. Dental care and first time home buyers credits are tepid. Run on massive infrastructure investments in public transit, guaranteed housing, comprehensive healthcare, food security, and upskilling.

NDP may be it's own party but it's current leadership has an LPC aftertaste.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I just replied to acargitz in this same comment thread. Please go read my comment. It also answers yours at the same time.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago
[–] dermanus@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They had no choice but to play nice with them.

They could have stood up for their principles. But they didn't, so they voted for strike breaking instead.

"Oh but then the Conservatives would win!"

Yes, and they'd have an effective fundraising foil instead of being seen as the little brother to the LPC. They chose to win the battle and lose the war.

Give'em a majority and see what happens.

They've done nothing to earn it, nor given me any confidence they'd know what to do with one.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

They've done nothing to earn it, nor given me any confidence they'd know what to do with one.

Exactly. Like Jagmeet's solution to housing was a low interest mortgage for first time home buyers... which does nothing to make down payments cheaper or rentals more affordable.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Give'em a majority and see what happens

The point of a "big comprehensive vision" is to not have to say that phrase. No "vote and you'll see" but "vote for this to make it happen".

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I feel like they weren't given enough attention by the media which concentrated on Poilievre, Carney and Trump because it brings in clicks and views. Jagmeet should have been more aggressive, though, to get more attention. That didn't help them either.

During the debates, they didn't have a lot of time to express themselves but I felt Jagmeet hit the nail on the head every time he was allowed to speak. They denounced the genocide in Gaza and called for Canada to put pressure to stop it, they brought forward new ideas to tackle the housing crisis, they wanted to tackle the increasing costs of living, improve on universal healthcare, etc. And also during the last government, near the end of the pandemic and the sudden double digit inflation and grocery store record profits, the NDP were the only ones to talk about a windfall tax. They also were the only ones that talked about having a tax for the wealthiest of Canadians.

But either nobody listens, or people forget, or maybe it's this fucking constant bombardment of crazy news that makes people have short attention spans or something. I dunno.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

I feel like they weren't given enough attention by the media which concentrated on Poilievre, Carney and Trump.

I agree with this but IMO NDP bears some responsibility for this. Besides Jagmeet and Charlie there was hardly anyone succeeding in the "attention economy".

NDP out west rarely has the same candidate running 2 elections in a row. NDP needs to find people who are willing to make a 10 year commitment to party participation.

The also need to shake up their events and communication campaigns. Their candidates are barely tangible people with sparse public engagement at best.

I agree that the NDP were the only party calling out the genocide in Palestine; but AFAIK they tabled no legislation to prevent Canadian participation in such things.

I want the NDP to form a government. But I don't think that will ever happen if we don't hold the party to a higher standard.