micromobility - Bikes, scooters, boards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility
Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles, heelies, or an office chair: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!
"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.
micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"
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Ok, then compare it to my Miata doing the same thing. Still not dangerous to me, the car or anyone else. I wouldn't even take a scooter to 100 mph on the Bonneville salt flats let alone a public road.
Edit: I'd do 100mph on an e bike at the salt flats tho. That sounds fun. But nothing with this short of a wheel base, that small of wheel, with that twitchy of steering, no way.
Ah yes, you get to say that all your cars are completely unaffected by anything, but every single scooter is a horrible deathtrap.
Again, you clearly have not driven scooters, except perhaps some of those city rentals. They're comparable to buses, but get treated even worse.
Again, the better quality scooters have significantly better suspension and riding qualities than my Suzuki PV ever did. Suzuki PV's also have smaller wheels. And when I was 15, people were tuning those so they went up to 80-120km/h. 45 was the legal limit, a stock PV would go about 50, and with tiny tuning you could get it to go 60 easily, and 75-80 somewhat easily. The brakes on those were horrible in comparison to the 160mm disc brakes on these new scoots. Swingarm suspension, grippy board.
As long as you dress properly for those speeds, there's really not a huge difference to a motorcycle. I would do 100mph on salt flats, and I don't think I'd need that much even. I know several places where I know the bumps in the road well enough that I could try taking one 100mph if I had some reason to. But driving them around at about 50km/h seems to be the more reasonable solution, because otherwise you're gonna start needing an actual motorcycling jacket in case of a bad fall. Sub 50km/h speeds (30mph) you can still do with a bicycle helmet while being relatively safe. But in the city you need to take that down, unless you're driving among the cars, and that's generally frowned upon a bit, or if not frowned upon, I wouldn't like the cops to see me doing it because a vehicle capable of doing that is illegal and I'd have to pay for the avoided insurance and whatnot. Which is acceptable, because if the regulation sucks, they can be really dangerous.
The worst thing about my best powerful Chinese scoot was simply the subpar quality of the materials on some parts, but I quickly recognised it and for instance changed all the Chinese bolts in my brakes to Finnish ones.
But again, for like the umpteenth time, the maximum velocity a vehicle can do isn't the only speed you can drive it at. When is the last time you drove your Jeep or your Miata as fast as they go? You drive the Miata around at a 140mph? I would never drive an old Miata 140 mph, even on the Bonneville salt flats.
No, a scooter is not at all like a motorcycle. I've driven both they're not even remotely comparable. And yes, I'd drive an MX-5 at 140 on a public road if it was closed or on a track. I took my 04 GTO to 150 on an open public road in my younger days. No, I wouldn't drive the jeep at its top speed, I simply don't have the time to waste or a road long enough.
I have driven good scooters, the e scooter my kids got is $450 plus his nice push scooter. You act like some kind of scooter connoisseur. But who has as many scooters as you claim? Or are you in some little scooter gang that trades scooters and compares notes? Do you guys have sweater vests with 1%er patches ironed on, carrying the same color vape pen? You buy one, and ride it till it dies. I'm done with this conversation.
If you say "they're not even remotely comparable", then you haven't driven both. Or you've driven like one type of each, which makes you unable to compare them, it doesn't make them incomparable.
You mean you once drove it at that speed for a very short time and then returned back to safe and rational speeds. Meaning that you've barely once even come close to driving a car as fast as it goes. Yet you're somehow acting as if these scooters don't have throttles, but an on/off setting and you MUST go 100mph at ALL times.
Doesn't really tell much. If you bought it from some store nearby, it might be an overpriced kids toy. If you bought it from China, it could be a relatively ok, on the cheaper side though. Does it even have dual suspension? Swingarm suspension?
I'm talking something along these lines:
That's around 1k. But again, it's much safer than any of the minibikes I drove in the 90's and as long as you dress for the slide and not the ride, and with proper infrastructure and regulation, I don't see the issue. If you think it's genuinely just about safety, then honestly some of the backseats on bikes with like 200hp are far more dangerous. Like a tiny little bench which is practically curved and made of some slippery faux-leather, and you're not the driver yourself? Perhaps I have trust-issues and that's where that comes from, but that feels very unsafe to me in comparison to driving a scooter that can go 100mph. My fucking 125cc bike could go 100mph (it genuinely did, got it to 165km/h), and the rear suspension was completely blown, it was just the spring, So every now and then, on curves, it would "kick out" if I went to the curve too hard. One time with my girlfriend on the backseat, while I was passing someone, in a corner, and the corner had a little dip in the middle of it just as I'm balancing the countersteering exactly because I'm aware of the suspension. And in the dip, it kicks out like a mule at the passing speed. A little bit of poo almost came out. Not for myself, but I was afraid I had just killed my girlfriend. Luckily I didn't. 'Twasn't the only time I seriously endangered someone's life on that bike btw. Oh and you can still see an image of that specific fucking motorcycle, which I find awesome.
At least for me, it's the first result when you image search "Suzuki RGF". I know it's my former bike because those are custom colours.
But yeah, check these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVgwrvtUC44
See? I've driven one those on a shitty sand road. They go 50-120km/h. They have no suspension. A quality scooter with a long board and good suspension FAR outperforms anything like that or any of the minibikes which are completely legal, and larger in mass, just like I said.
Comparing those to a double-motored dual-suspended and sizeable board is a bad comparison. The scooter is much safer and easier to handle. Of course a scooter is unsafe compared to sitting in a brand new car cushioned with airbags, but, there's also a price difference of several tens of thousands of dollars.