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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 219 points 1 day ago (27 children)

Gerrymandering should be a crime and conviction should mean removal from office and a life long ban on working in politics.

Now we just need a way to do that that isn't vigilante violence.

It is kind of frustrating how every system needs to resist people (usually conservatives) from acting in bad faith.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

In order to do that, we need a rigorous definition of gerrymandering that isn't just "I know it when I see it." Even if we try to adopt some sort of strict mathematical criteria and algorithm for redistricting (such as optimizing for "compactness" using a Voronoi algorithm), there would always still be some amount of arbitrary human input that could be gamed (such as the location of seeds, in this example). Even if we went so far as to make a rule that everything must be randomized (which would possibly be bad for things like continuity of representation, by the way), we could still end up with people trying to influence the outcome by re-rolling the dice until they got a result they liked.

It's a hard (in both the computational sense and political sense) problem to solve.

[–] laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I heard of a test that makes sense, minimally. If you reverse the vote of every single person, the opposite party should win. Apparently there are ways of organizing it where that isn't the case.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That only works if there are only two parties. I'd prefer a solution that works with electoral reform, not against it.

[–] laserjet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 24 minutes ago

but since there are 2 parties it complies with your request of

a rigorous definition of gerrymandering that isn’t just “I know it when I see it.”

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

To make aure I understand, you mean that if you reverse the vote of every district the state should see the opposite party winning?

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