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Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.
Harris: didn't condemn Israel.
Fuck off 'both sides'-ers
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA's own population seem like different things to you.
Trump's doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.
We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I'm so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
There's no such thing as "inward" or "outward" fascism. You're just making shit up.
It's just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.
Is it not liberals' agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?
Gay Nazis are still Nazis.
You're dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn't exist.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
You're right, liberalism doesn't compare to fascism.
All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they're different than fascists?
Harris would've continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.
Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn't force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.
Obama, Biden, Harris, they're all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.
And not just today. For the past 75+ years
Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.
No shit, but it wasn't available to vote for in the election. We can't vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.
And I'm telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.
I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We've been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It's maddening.
Why wasn't it available to vote for in the election?
Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.
If Democrats understood Trump's threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation
Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.
But they didn't. And they aren't right now.
Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don't take AIPAC money
I would love to see the DNC destroyed. They've been at the forefront of shoveling fascist lite candidates in front.
Hoping I get to vote for a Mamdani or similar in the future.
Well of course she wouldn't, she's a woman and America is crazy sexist.
Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don't want a woman in charge.
neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she's a woman in order to shut out AOC.
Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn't growing increasingly sexist lol
Oh, it's increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can't win because they don't want a particular woman to run.
The thing is, a brown female candidate needs a ridiculously successful campaign to win for now. It's not impossible at all. AOC may very well be the one who gets people out to vote. But she'll also mobilize conservative voters to go vote for their guy, because she's been such a boogeyman in their media, she's literally seen as the devil by now. Trump antics aside, I don't think she'd win 2028, but she may win 2032 or 2036 provided the pendulum* swings back by then. Of course if enough people are pissed off by Trump, things change and she may actually have a shot in 2028 - by being part of the force pulling the pendulum back.
Of course, the reason democrats don't want her to win has nothing to do with her being female or even her being controversial with conservatives, she's just too far left for them.
* It's been said that politics swings on a pendulum and it's so true it's not even funny. Especially in the US because of how polarized it is. After Bush, people wanted something different. Obama was a neoliberal so not even that left-wing all things considered, but he was far more progressive than anyone else in recent years**. More importantly, he was black, and this was an important milestone as far as racial equality is concerned. But here's the problem: People have inertia. You go too far in one direction, the pendulum pulls back. And it pulled back hard. In the last few years leading up to the 2016, racism started getting more and more rampant online. Same for all other sorts of bigotry. "SJW" became an insult. People were openly saying that black people are only getting shot by police because they're all criminals. Obama was to blame for everything wrong with the country. That's why Trump 2016 happened. Not because the Clinton campaign was weak (which it was - she was legitimately a better choice for president than Trump, but she was also boring and uninspiring, plus her husband is just as likely a kiddy diddler as Trump, except somehow with Trump it doesn't matter). It was because of the sheer hatred boiling in a whole lot of Americans. Hatred against black people, against women, against sexual minorities. For things to get better again, the pendulum needs to swing back in the other direction. This means enough people being disillusioned enough with neoliberalism and conservatism that a sufficiently progressive candidate can destroy the establishment in the democratic primary and for democrats as a whole to embrace a new strategy, around new people.
** Yeah, let's be honest, Obama was a war criminal just as much as Bush. He had other redeeming qualities, but this was not one. While Bush's admin created the war on terror out of thin air (yay WMDs), the Obama admin accelerated the pace of drone strikes. This is something Trump was able to use as ammo against the dems. Dems are war criminals, vote for me, I'll bring the troops home and stop bombing the middle east. What did he do? Well he didn't stop bombing the middle east for sure, he kept on accelerating the pace of drone strikes just like Obama. Who cared? Nobody who voted for him. They only cared about it when Obama did it, and that Clinton was going to continue doing it. Same tactic was used last election cycle with Israel. Trump had NO intention of stopping supplying Israel with weapons. But a lot of people ate it up and didn't vote for Harris. Again, was Harris a perfect candidate? No. Was she a great candidate? Not really. But would she have been a million times better domestically than Trump? Absolutely. But the narrative was shifted to focus only in the one area where she was nearly as bad as Trump. Not worse, just almost as bad. Not Gaza beach resort bad, but "Israel has a right to exist so we'll keep giving them weapons to genocide the Palestinians" bad. This got a lot of potential voters to stay home. And all the people who said don't vote for Harris, she's a genocide enabler? Well pretty much none of them care about Trump being a genocide enabler, and they literally don't care that Trump's starting a SECOND genocide. So this is where we are right now: Conservatives can do no wrong. Trump can do no wrong, he'll literally be praised as a god, no matter what he does. Genocide 65 million people on American soil? Hero. Crash the American economy? Literal god. That's just how far right the pendulum is. But the harder right it goes, the harder left it'll have to swing back eventually. I just hope it's soon, because millions of lives are at stake. And when it does go all the way left, AOC is about the best candidate that the dems have right now.
Right now my biggest hope for the pendulum swinging back left is Mamdani. If he can actually win the election, deliver on his promises, and noticeably improve the living conditions of New Yorkers - this is the left's best fighting chance right now. To build momentum out of it, news of improvements need to be broadcast everywhere in the US. It'll take a whole lot of propaganda - and by propaganda I mean people just seeing the truth that's being hidden from them by their existing propaganda networks. If Mamdani is successful and momentum is built, AOC has a real winning chance. Why Mamdani? Because he's the most high profile socialist with a chance to do something real right now. In one of the most high profile cities, with a population of millions... that is being used by the right to criticize the left (fully ignoring that the problems in NYC are damn near all caused by capitalism).
She offered no policy to Americans except "Trump is worse." She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition
Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.
We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.
Straight off Wikipedia because I'm not going to find better sources for a troll.
Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can't tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you'd get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?
Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren't convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.
Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country
Never going to happen. It'll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there's going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn't any worse than Harris.
I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people's lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won't do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there'd be a but more of a fuss.
But will there?
At this rate it seems there's two types of Latinos in the US. The progressive ones and the "Fuck you, got mine" ones that actively hate Latinos. Latinos for Trump is actively going to cheer as he rounds up and kills Latinos, as "we're the good ones, he's only killing the terrorists/illegals/etc".
Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!
Now what?
Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?
What do you mean, "you all"? I'm not American.
What does your reading comprehension level have to do with being American lmao
Mostly that "centrism" means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It's super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.
Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.
We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people's lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.
You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you're rutterless as to why
I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it
The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn't happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn't support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.
I don't even live in the USA, fuck off with this bullshit.
Stay out of our fucking politics then!!
Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!
Now how about you do something fucking constructive.