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What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about such as you? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka.

  • Isaac Bashevis Singer
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[โ€“] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Predators killing prey is part of the natural order; arguing that we're worse for killing for food than any other predators is, is exactly putting us on a pedestal above every other animal. We're not some special beings above everything, where if we kill a sheep, we're somehow better or worse than a wolf doing it is.

It is not the killing for food that is the problem, it is torturing animals and the ecological impact we're causing with it. Mass producing meat, eggs, anything, by tormenting other living creatures without any consideration they're equally living beings, and destroying ecosystems for it, causing the climate to warm faster... and on top of it all - doing it all voluntarily and knowingly! That makes us monstrous on a scale no other animal has reached.

It could be argued predators playing with food is natural as well; is a cat evil for toying with a mouse? is an orca evil for playing with a seal before eating it? It's just the scope we're talking about is so, so much bigger. We're not killing things ourselves; we've pushed the murder factories out of our sight and minds, and casually consume "products" instead of thinking we're eating something valuable; something that deserves respect even when it's dead.

I have no problem with anyone eating an animal if they have not tortured it or taken part in allowing it's torture; and especially not if they're the one that killed it. That's just how it works in this cursed planet, we kill, we eat, we get eaten. I also have no problem with anyone refusing to take part in it, and considering it horrible practice; it is. It's horrendous. Life is horrible, horrible thing full of suffering and decay. If you can choose it is better for the environment and usually for your health to not kill and eat what you killed.

What I do take issue with is acting like humans are not part of the nature. We are part of it all. We're just like a wolf, or a sheep; all living, breathing things, doing beautiful things, doing horrible things. Killing and eating. All the same. You are not above (nor below) every other living animal for what you eat or what you do not, and I'm sick and tired of people pretending to argue we're worse just to put us on a pedestal, while doing nothing to actually stop the torture of animals.

[โ€“] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Predators killing prey is part of the natural order

Appeal to nature fallacy.

If you can't transcend your worst instincts and display free will, then you don't deserve to live any better than the animals you eat. You belong in a cage, being fed slop, until all animals are freed. They are not guilty of choosing to be beasts. You are.

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