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There are many problems associated with being alive. This is one of them. But it annoys me that vegans seem bent on proselytizing their viewpoint. It always seems self serving to me.
Because their viewpoint reduces the most harm and is the most sustainable.
Yes yes the people that care about others dont actually its just virtue-signalling no need to critically engage with what they are saying π₯±
Look at all these doctors and union workers proselytizing their viewpoints!
Because it is. It is just a lifestyle people use to feel like they are better people than meat eaters. Despite the fact that our bodies are literally made for digesting both plants and animal products. Meanwhile, the majority of them still wear clothes made in sweatshops, wear makeup by brands that actively contribute to animal and human cruelty, eat chocolate made with slave labor, buy from stores that carry animal products, and have no issue with cruelty towards people. Idk. If it isn't a self-serving ideology, it definitely cosplays as one very convincingly.
Ah yes letβs aim for the impossible perfection and refuse to improve somewhat.
Is there any altruistic act that you couldn't apply that logic to?
Well, I'm not applying the logic to an altruistic act. I am applying it to a group of people that claim to be altruists, when they are really nothing more than self-serving ideologues with a nice sounding motive.
Itβs not about being perfect itβs about reducing harm.
So you agree that veganism is the moral option but dont like vegans because they just pretend to be more moral?
No, I just don't care for moral grandstanding.
Ok forget about the vegans, bunch of preachy, sanctimonious, self-centered assholes every single one. Do you, as a non-hypocritical person with certain principles, think the exploitation of sentient beings is unethical and should be boycotted?
No- I know what you're trying to go for, because it's the same argument every Vegan thinks is their coup de grace. I, as a thinking person, am able to kill and use other animals to eat, for clothing, for protection, or for whatever else I need. I do not believe it is more or less moral to be vegan than it is to eat meat or use animal products. Are you able to prove that the plants you "exploit" aren't sentient? No. Because sentience and life are not easily defined terms. Anyways, have a good rest of your life.
Dont have to, already done:
https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/plants-are-alive/resources
So it's okay to cause pain to plants, because they don't react to the stimuli the same way as animals? That's what your link claims. Sounds like y'all are on a foundation of salt and sand. Plants are sentient, just not sapient.
Kicking a tree is the same as kicking a horse got it.
They dont have a nervous system you dumb fuck and even if they feel pain
Neat, so even if I'm right- you wanna call names. I disagree that it makes a pro-vegan argument, it just makes vegans look equally as cruel, and intellectually dishonest on top of it.
nah dude you started with the names and rudeness I just responded in kind, dont act all high and mighty now. And if you actually believed that killing a newborn is the same as picking a salad you would do your utmost to make sure your consumption minimizes plant death which again would mean a vegan diet since meat "production" requires a multiple of plant by mass, not to mention how many many many more plants have to "die" by the numbers to feed one animal before you murder it.
Where did I call you a name? Man, you're now arguing against things I never said. Not beating the allegations of vegans being preachy, holier-than-thou ideologues.
Youve been calling it "moral grandstanding", "self-serving ideologues" basically at every turn youve been condescending and snide, so don't act all shocked when some of it is returned.
I'm not acting surprised- I know how you people are. I never once called you a name. If you felt insulted by what I said, maybe it's time to take a look inward. Sorry you felt called out.
You called out vegans, I am vegan, I felt called out π€£ Introspection over
I called out the MAJORITY of vegans. If you happen to fall in to the group of losers that use it as a way to feel special, that isn't my fault. You just happen to be in a group of people that like to feel morally superior to others.
You're right! So let's see what I said:
Damn, you're dumb.
Says the one who claimed plants feel PAIN!
Who are you trying to fool??
Edit: why am I still arguing with some guy who claims he believes picking a salad and killing a newborn are the same thing and then goes and calls others hypocrites.
I'm not trying to fool anyone- you're just mad that you fall in with the people that want to be better than everyone else, but fail at every turn.
That edit is funny- considering you set out to prove that vegans aren't sanctimonious, self-serving losers, and all you've done is preach and try to show how elevated your ideology is.
No, I've set out to prove that omnis have nothing but some stupid hypotheticals ("what if plants are sentient??") and ad hominems and I think I've shown this in your case quite thoroughly. Additionally the reddit thing of you constantly reinterpreting of what you said is just a bonus.
Well you failed there, too.
Weird how you've convinced yourself of something that did not happen.
Do you expect people to somehow be able to avoid all suffering? There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and often people don't recognize the ethical problems with their choices. People purchase clothes they can afford at the shops available to them, and availability of stores that don't carry animal products is essentially zero. What I find more odd is defending something we know is causing great suffering, simply because vegetarians/Vegans also do end up participating in the perpetuation of different suffering. I'm not better than you because I'm vegan, and most Vegans/vegetarians do not believe that. It's a take I only hear from people that eat animals.