260
this post was submitted on 04 Aug 2025
260 points (99.2% liked)
News
31475 readers
2942 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Maybe motors and batteries, but the vehicles as a whole need help. Coming from a Tesla Model 3, and ending up driving several other models these last few months for several weeks at a time... Most other manufacturers don't know what the fuck they're doing with EVs.
The Kia EV6 rental that I currently have they seem to have just swapped the gas motor for an EV motor and battery pack, and left everything else about the vehicle the same. So it doesn't know what the fuck it is. The key fob does wake the car up as you walk up and it unfolds the mirrors and lights flash at you, but it doesn't actually unlock the car, you still have to lock and unlock it via the buttons on the fob. So it seems like they said, people expect EVs to welcome them, and made it do that but didn't actually think it through. So why does it wake up at all? There's a Start button just like you have on ICE, and you have to turn it back off when you're done, as if it needs to start and stop an ICE engine. It has an accessory mode for charging, but warns you that it will drain the battery, presumably because it still only uses the 12V battery for that, and the HV system won't charge that if the car isn't "ON"? And the EV6 is one of the models I see recommended all over the place online.
To my knowledge, the Tesla still has a 12 volt battery that has to be separately charged if you leave the thing off for more than 2 weeks.
They used to but not anymore, they now have a rechargeable lithium 16V battery.
So they went back and fixed all of the old ones? That's not something I had heard of, tbh.
No the old cars do have the old 12v one in still. They obviously learned its a bad idea. Newer models don't have it and have a lithium rechargeable instead.
Will it still run that dead in sentry mode while the engine batteries remain charged and unused?
I'm not sure of the intricacies but this change was made to avoid the dead 12v situations. I imagine now as the main battery can now recharge the lithium one easily it keeps it topped up somehow to avoid this happening.
I left my Tesla for nearly 3 week holiday not plugged in and it was fine when i came back.
Yeah, I expect it should last longer, lithium has a higher energy density.
It sounds like a patch, not necessarily a fix. If it sat too long you'd likely still end up in a similar situation.
From what you say, it sounds like it behaves like most people expect a car to behave. Even the door lock feature. Our 2015 Highlander will light up when we walk near it, but won't unlock unless the key holder grabs one of the front door handles.
Gotta remember, the fact that you're already aware of fundamental differences shows that you are above average. The average person only sees their car as an A-to-B appliance, and will get confused if their car doesn't behave like every other car.
It's probably just personal preference and the door lock issue is probably a security precaution. One of the big ways people are breaking into or stealing modern cars that use "smart" keys is with a mirroring attack. They use a long-ish antenna (1m or so) to pickup the FOB inside your house, then mirror the signal to the car with a phone/tablet. Once they're in your car, things get even worse. Honda's for example used to store their security codes in the OBD computer (I don't know if this is still true). Meaning thieves could plug in a technician OBD tool (they're like $1,000 on Amazon), then program a brand-new virgin key for your car, right there in your driveway, hit the start button and drive off. All in under 30-seconds. The non-smart keyed cars were even worse, since the alarm doesn't go off if you pick the lock (no joke lol)
To add to this, Kia (and Hyundai) were previously vulnerable to the USB cable hack - people could tear down the steering column and use a charger cable to start the car and drive away.