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Because there is nothing legally binding about petitions.
If petitions (= begging) are the highest level of what people can do between two elections, something about the system is fundamentally broken.
Thats why guillotines exist.
There's a few steps between begging and guillotines.
But yes, politics exists on a spectrum.
Traditionally it's
First you talk. Then you vote. Then you use the legal system. And if things are still broken, you use violence.
I'm in the US so I can't speak for the UK specifically, but it does feel like the rise of fascism and consolidation of power into fewer and fewer people is a real problem that won't be fixed by asking nicely.
Things aren't getting worse in the UK, they're just staying exactly the same as they've always been.
There are two parties and they're both basically identical to each other and they just keep swapping every decade or so. The Conservatives crash the economy, mostly due to piss-pour economic handling and welfare cuts, eventually everyone gets irritated with them and boots them out. Labour proceeds to blame the conservatives for the economic mess for the next 10 years, fail to really achieve anything of any significance due to the inevitable infighting (they've already started), and eventually lose power to the conservatives. Then the entire story mess repeats itself.
You get five or six rounds of this and then all the current lot die and you replace them with a new bunch of idiots.
Seriously this crap goes all the way back to the 1930s. We never get a break.
Hi! Trans and queer person from the UK here.
Shit's gotten worse, bro.
Things are getting worse in the UK in terms of wealth inequality, living standards, civil rights and democratic freedom.
What if we give them money so they stop taking our money
Like, gallows? Is gallows a step? Where do pitchforks come in?
I figure gallows and guillotines are in the same bucket. Pitchforks a step or two before that.
I'm a little annoyed that General Strikes and other forms of economic deterrence aren't on the list. You'd be surprised how far you can get when you threaten the profit margin. A lot of these guys will cave in a matter of weeks when they realize they might not have the money for a new yacht.
Those would be great. 50501 is trying hard with the protests, but without media coverage they just get swallowed. And I can only think that strikes aren't happening because of a combination that the labor economy is shit, and because an astonishingly large number of union members are Trump supporters. You see this occasionally when union leadership, who knows better, clash with their members.
I don't think violent revolution, if it breaks out, is going to be that so much as another civil war. The rich have learned from history, and are very effective at turning the classes against each other.
Petitions
Protests
Pitchforks
Prison
Pguilletines
For the final P, we borrow from Estonian:
Poomine
Sadly, most unhappy people still think that laws must be respected, and guillotining has fallen out of popularity with them quite recently.
Well it does atleast force them to make a public opinion on it, it’s a foot in the door.
Which would be useful if they were also forced to actually provide a somewhat science based line of reasoning for their answer. But in reality its gonna be completely made up reasons not based on any facts.
Not all petitions are based on stuff that’s “factual” or “provable” as well though.
Petition to paint crosswalks in pride colours for example.
While I wouldn't personally mind pride colors on crosswalks, having them be forced to answer "anything" is better than being allowed to ignore it.
Example:
"Painting them pride color will increase the cost of painting them, as it requires new tools and extra colors adding complexity to an otherwise quick paint job with tools used also on other similar road work .
While we agree in the spirit, the cost of doing this outweighs the increased visibility of a minority group, and will therefore not be considered further. "
Thats true i guess. I was thinking of car traffic restrictions or "one more lane" type stuff.
Yup, it can be a way of getting a discussion started
For Canada the rules are as follows:
https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide