this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2025
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The singular of data is not anecdote.
For every claim people make of how "Gen AI saved my " you can find a dozen stories of people being actively harmed by Gen AI.
Stopped watch and all that jazz.
Thats irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
That's like arguing needles were a bad invention because many people use them for heroin.
People using the tool wrong to hurt themselves doesn't mean the tool is bad, it just means better regulations and education needs to be put in place.
Keep talking that way if that's what helps you be happy with yourself when looking in a mirror.
The truth is that degenerative AI has no useful business model, is quite literally burning up the planet to feed having no viable business model, is killing economies while it has no useful business model, and is in general dumbing down the world, all while having no prospects for ever being a viable business.
I'm glad that your story about your dog is enough for you to burn down the planet with a clear conscience.
Buh-bye.
I hope you dont use any of the other standard quality of life features day to day that consume substantially more power per day then.
There's plenty of stuff you likely take for granted every day that you use, that burn way more fossil fuels than training GPT took.
GPT did cost a lot of power, but if you put it beside other fairly standard day-to-day things people tend to take for granted, it's a drop in the bucket.
The list goes on and on. ESPECIALLY your clothes dryer, that thing uses a massive amount of power
People seriously underestimate how much power the internet uses overall. GPT's training provides a concrete, discrete, measured amount of power one specific thing used.
Whereas the internet, as a whole, over one day, uses way more power than all of GPT's training took total. The issue is "the internet" has its power consumption broadly distributed across the entire globe, in a manner that makes it basically impossible to actually measure how much "total" power you are burning just browsing the web.
But it's non trivial. Every switch between you and your destination is burning in the range of 150 watts, easily, every router is burning easily 80 watts, etc etc.
And theres dozens of those between you and 1 given destination. The process of routing your packets from your machine all the way across countries at the speed of light, and then a response back, takes a non trivial amount of power. Theres often around 8 to 15 hops between you and the destination, and every single hop tends to have multiple machines involved in that one single packet.
Its easy to handwave that enormous power consumption away because, well, you can't see it. You aren't privvy to how much power your ISP burns every day, how much power the nameservers use, etc etc.
GPT is a non trivial chunk of power... but its not THAT much compared to all the other shit going on in the web, its genuinely just a tiny drop in the bucket.
You are extremely naive if you think using GPT makes any kind of notable shift in your total carbon footprint, it doesnt even move the dial at all.
If you actually wanna pick something as a real target for reducing your carbon footprint, the two biggest contenders are: